Closed and Bounded Intervals are Compact .... Sohrab, Propostion 4.1.9 .... ....

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The discussion centers on Proposition 4.1.9 from Houshang H. Sohrab's "Basic Real Analysis" (Second Edition), which asserts that closed and bounded intervals are compact. Participants seek clarification on the proof, specifically regarding the existence of a point \(d\) in the interval \((c, c + \epsilon)\) when \(c < b\), and the implications for covering the interval \([a, d]\) with finite subcovers. The rigorous justification for the existence of \(d\) is established by selecting \(d\) as the minimum of \(c + \epsilon\) and \(b\). Additionally, the proof's reliance on finite covers is clarified, emphasizing the contradiction arising from the assumption that \(c\) is the supremum of set \(S

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Closed and Bounded Intervals are Compact ... Sohrab, Proposition 4.1.9 ... ...

I am reading Houshang H. Sohrab's book: "Basic Real Analysis" (Second Edition).

I am focused on Chapter 4: Topology of [FONT=MathJax_AMS]R and Continuity ... ...

I need help in order to fully understand the proof of Proposition 4.1.9 ...Proposition 4.1.9 and its proof read as follows:
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My questions are as follows:Question 1

In the above proof by Sohrab we read the following:

" ... ... Now, if $$c \lt b$$, then we can pick $$d \in ( c, c + \epsilon )$$ such that $$c \lt d \lt b$$ ... ... "My question is as follows:

How (... rigorously speaking ... ) do we know such a $$d$$ exists ...

In other words, what is the rigorous justification that if $$c \lt b$$, the we can pick $$d \in ( c, c + \epsilon )$$ such that $$c \lt d \lt b$$ ... ...?

Question 2

In the above proof by Sohrab we read the following:

" ... ... Now, if $$c \lt b$$, then we can pick $$d \in ( c, c + \epsilon )$$ such that $$c \lt d \lt b$$, and it follows that $$[a,d ]$$ can also be covered by a finite subcover. i.e. $$d \in S$$ ... ... "Can someone please explain why/how it follows that $$[a,d ]$$ can also be covered by a finite subcover. i.e. $$d \in S$$ ... ... ?

Help will be appreciated ...

Peter
 

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Hi Peter,

For question 1, since $c<b$ and $\epsilon>0$, you can take $d$ between $c$ and $\min(c+\epsilon,b)$.

For question 2, since $c<d<c+\epsilon$, and $(c-\epsilon,c+\epsilon)\subset O_\lambda$, $d\in O_\lambda$, and you can add $O_\lambda$ to the finite cover of $[a,c)$ to get a finite cover of $[a,d]$.
 
Hi Peter,

My answer of question 2 is not quite correct. In fact, we do not necessarily have a finite cover of the interval $[a,c)$ (which is not compact).

We do not know if $c\in S$. What we do know is that, for any $x$ with $a<x<c$, we have a finite cover $U_x$ of $[a,x]$. We can take $x$ between $c-\epsilon$ and $c$, which gives the inequalities:
$$
a<c-\epsilon<x<c<d<c+\epsilon
$$
Now, $U_x$ covers $[a,x]$ and $O_\lambda$ covers $(c-\epsilon,c+\epsilon)$ (which contains $d$); therefore $U_x\cup O_\lambda$ covers $[a,d]$; this means that $d\in S$, which contradicts $c=\sup S$.
 
castor28 said:
Hi Peter,

My answer of question 2 is not quite correct. In fact, we do not necessarily have a finite cover of the interval $[a,c)$ (which is not compact).

We do not know if $c\in S$. What we do know is that, for any $x$ with $a<x<c$, we have a finite cover $U_x$ of $[a,x]$. We can take $x$ between $c-\epsilon$ and $c$, which gives the inequalities:
$$
a<c-\epsilon<x<c<d<c+\epsilon
$$
Now, $U_x$ covers $[a,x]$ and $O_\lambda$ covers $(c-\epsilon,c+\epsilon)$ (which contains $d$); therefore $U_x\cup O_\lambda$ covers $[a,d]$; this means that $d\in S$, which contradicts $c=\sup S$.

Thanks for the guidance and assistance ... and the correction ...

Most helpful ...

Peter
 

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