Closed form of an infinitely nested radical.

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The discussion revolves around finding a closed form for an infinitely nested radical expression. The original poster shares their attempts and observations regarding convergence and numerical limits, indicating a strong interest in the mathematical properties of the expression.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore various approaches to express the nested radical in a solvable form, with one suggesting a substitution method. Others question the assumptions about the structure of the powers involved in the radical.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing insights and questioning the existence of an analytical solution. Some have proposed methods for approaching the problem, while others express uncertainty about the feasibility of finding a closed form.

Contextual Notes

The original poster notes specific values for which the nested radical has known results, such as the golden ratio for a(1) and 2 for a(4). There is also mention of convergence behavior based on the input value, which may influence the search for a solution.

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Hello.

Does anybody happen to know a closed form of this infinitely nested radical?
http://imageshack.us/a/img268/6544/radicals.jpg
By any chance, maybe you even saw it somewhere?

I haven't had too much success so far. At the moment I am so desperate that I'm even willing to try and guess the solution, then prove that it is equal to my nested radical. For any real positive x the limit indeed exists (various criteria can be found for that very reason). Numerical limits can be seen in the plot:
http://imageshack.us/a/img842/876/plote.jpg

Also here is a convergence plot:
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/64/convergence.jpg
It is made in a sense that using double precision variables computer sees no difference between a_{k}(x) and a_{k+1}(x) which in turn means that ~16 decimal digits have already been found. In fact it's so nasty that a{6}(50000) - a{5}(50000) < 10^(-24).
Notably the bigger my argument, the faster it converges (although I'm not sure what useful conclusions I can draw from that).

Pretty much the only known elegant cases: a(1) is equal to golden ratio, a(4)=2.

What would you suggest?



Pranas.
 
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Hi Pzi! :smile:

You can write:
$$\sqrt{x^1 + \sqrt{x^2 + ...}} = \sqrt x \cdot \sqrt{x^0 + \sqrt{x^1 + ...}} = \sqrt x \cdot a(x)$$

If you substitute that in the expression for a(x), you get an equation that you can solve...
 
I like Serena said:
Hi Pzi! :smile:

You can write:
$$\sqrt{x^1 + \sqrt{x^2 + ...}} = \sqrt x \cdot \sqrt{x^0 + \sqrt{x^1 + ...}} = \sqrt x \cdot a(x)$$

If you substitute that in the expression for a(x), you get an equation that you can solve...

Not really.
Your idea requires powers like 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32... whereas we actually have 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6...
 
Still looking for any insightful ideas!
 
I get a good fit to 1.19 x1/4
 
Pzi said:
Still looking for any insightful ideas!

You say you are desperate for a solution. Do you have any reason to believe there is an analytically exact solution?
 

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