Cloud Chamber Experiment Help - Identifying Particles

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The discussion revolves around the observations made during a cloud chamber experiment involving Americium-241 as a radiation source. Participants explore the nature of the particle tracks observed, particularly focusing on the identification of the particles responsible for the tracks and the effects of shielding on different types of radiation. The scope includes experimental observations and theoretical interpretations related to particle physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • The original poster observed thin and short-range tracks in the cloud chamber and questioned whether these could be secondary particles from gamma emissions of Americium-241.
  • One participant suggested that the observed tracks might be due to secondary cosmic radiation, particularly muons, rather than emissions from Americium-241, citing the high flux of muons on the ground.
  • The original poster noted that they had seen muons during the experiment, which appeared different from the unknown particles, leading them to believe the tracks originated from Americium.
  • Another participant explained that the Americium source primarily undergoes beta decay, with alpha particles being shielded for safety, and discussed the effects of shielding using a Thorium doped welding rod.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the nature of the observed tracks. There are competing views regarding whether the tracks are due to muons or emissions from Americium-241, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the identification of the particles and the effects of shielding, indicating that assumptions about the radiation types and their interactions may not be fully addressed.

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Yesterday I decided to carry out a cloud chamber experiment for a school assessment. I used "100%" isopropanol and around 2.5 kg of dry ice. After a wait of approximately 30 minutes, the particle tracks began to appear. I placed a weak source of Americium-241 sourced from a smoke detector (1 μCi) in the chamber, expecting to see some thick alpha particle tracks, but instead got thin and short range tracks. What could these possibly be? Are they secondary particles produced by the small amount of gamma emission from Americium-241? The reason I am having so much difficulty identifying these is that the electrons or positrons have somewhat 'curved' or 'curly' tracks and are much longer. I have attached a video of the tracks, you may need to look closely as they are very small. Any help identifying these would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
 
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I would bet, that it is more likely, that you observed secondary cosmic radiation, mainly muons, rather than Am decays. However, I have to admit, I couldn't see very well from where to where the rays have gone.
Wikipedia says we have a flux of ##100 \;m^{-2}s^{-1}## muons on the ground and that they are hard to shield, due to their high energies. Whereas ##^{241}##Am as used in smoke detectors has a half-life of 432 years. So I put my money on the muons.
 
fresh_42 said:
I would bet, that it is more likely, that you observed secondary cosmic radiation, mainly muons, rather than Am decays. However, I have to admit, I couldn't see very well from where to where the rays have gone.
Wikipedia says we have a flux of ##100 \;m^{-2}s^{-1}## muons on the ground and that they are hard to shield, due to their high energies. Whereas ##^{241}##Am as used in smoke detectors has a half-life of 432 years. So I put my money on the muons.

Hi, thanks for the reply. I had initially thought that the particles were muons, however the tracks they leave are much longer and straighter. About twenty minutes into the experiment, I observed muons and they were very different to these unknown particles which seem to have originated from the small sample of Americium. Here is an image of what a muon looks like:
ccmuon.jpg
 
What you see with an Americium button is mainly beta decay, because the alpha particles are being shielded for safety. You can see the effect of shielding by using a Thorium doped welding rod where 1/2 of the length of rod is also encased in typical heat-shrink tubing. From the uncovered end you'll see alphas and betas but from the end covered with heat-shrink you'll only see beta particles. The heat shrink shields the alphas in spite of how thin it is. In most smoke detectors, the Americium cup has a thick back layer as a base which shields alphas and betas while also using a thin front cover to filter out the alphas, so you have a nice source of low energy betas for smoke detection.
 
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