CMB , Spherical Harmonics and Rotational Invariance

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the properties of spherical harmonics, specifically ##Y_l^m##, in the context of cosmic microwave background (CMB) temperature fluctuations. Participants explore the implications of rotational invariance and isotropy on the probability distributions of the coefficients ##a_{lm}## for a given ##l##, as mentioned in Dodelson's "Modern Cosmology".

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference Dodelson's claim that the coefficients ##a_{lm}## for a given ##l## are drawn from the same probability distribution, suggesting this is due to the statistical rotational invariance of the universe.
  • One participant proposes that the property of ##Y_l^m \sim e^{i m \phi}## may be relevant to understanding the claim.
  • Another participant explains that the ##Y_\ell^m## functions can be transformed into one another through rotations, implying that only the coefficients with the same ##\ell## are mixed during such transformations.
  • A later reply questions how to rigorously argue that the ##a_{lm}## coefficients for a given ##l## must share the same probability distributions, linking this to the assumption of isotropy.
  • It is noted that assuming isotropy leads to the conclusion that the coefficients for the same ##\ell## must have the same probability distribution, contingent on appropriate normalization of the ##Y_l^m## functions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying degrees of understanding regarding the implications of isotropy and rotational invariance on the probability distributions of the coefficients. There is no consensus on the precise justification for the claim made by Dodelson, and the discussion remains open-ended.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about isotropy and the normalization of spherical harmonics, which may not be universally accepted or fully explored by all participants.

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In Dodelson's "Modern Cosmology" on p.241 he states that the ##a_{lm}##-s -- for a given ##l##-- corresponding to a spherical harmonic expansion of the photon-temperature fluctuations, are drawn from the same probability distribution regardless of the value of ##m##. Dodelson does not explain this any further, but other authors claim that it is due to the fact that ##m## somehow corresponds to an orientation and this should not matter as the universe is (believed to be) statistically rotational invariant.

Question:
What is the precise property of the spherical harmonic ##Y_l^m## for a given ##l## that justifies this claim?
 
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That Y_l^m \sim e^{i m \phi}?
 
center o bass said:
Question:
What is the precise property of the spherical harmonic ##Y_l^m## for a given ##l## that justifies this claim?
The ##Y_\ell^m## functions for a given ##\ell## can be morphed into one another through rotations in any direction. That is, if you rotate the coordinate system, the resulting ##a_{\ell m}## parameters are a linear combination of the pre-rotated ##a_{\ell m}## parameters. During this rotation, only the ##a_{\ell m}## values with the same ##\ell## are mixed.
 
Chalnoth said:
The ##Y_\ell^m## functions for a given ##\ell## can be morphed into one another through rotations in any direction. That is, if you rotate the coordinate system, the resulting ##a_{\ell m}## parameters are a linear combination of the pre-rotated ##a_{\ell m}## parameters. During this rotation, only the ##a_{\ell m}## values with the same ##\ell## are mixed.
Thanks for the reply! From what you've now said, how would one go on to argue (fairly rigorously) that the ##a_{lm}##-s for a given ##l## must be drawn from the same probability distributions?
 
center o bass said:
Thanks for the reply! From what you've now said, how would one go on to argue (fairly rigorously) that the ##a_{lm}##-s for a given ##l## must be drawn from the same probability distributions?
That's the assumption of isotropy. As the different coefficients for the same ##\ell## are just rotations of one another, assuming isotropy requires that they all have the same probability distribution (provided you make use of the appropriate normalization for the ##Y_l^m## functions).
 

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