Coding - instilling a subconcious fear

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The discussion revolves around the concept of using a form of therapy that may instill a subconscious fear, particularly in the context of coding and placebo effects. Participants explore the psychological implications of belief and suggestion, questioning the effectiveness of such therapy when the patient is aware of its nature.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether therapy can be effective if the patient is aware it is a placebo, suggesting that belief is necessary for it to work.
  • One participant proposes that while a patient may consciously dismiss the therapy as a joke, their subconscious might still respond differently.
  • There is a comparison made to the effects of watching a horror film, implying that subconscious reactions can occur despite conscious disbelief.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of Alert Hypnosis, suggesting that individuals can be influenced without their conscious awareness, which may relate to the effectiveness of the therapy discussed.
  • It is suggested that if a person can be convinced at a deeper level that the therapy is effective, it might work regardless of their conscious skepticism.

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Participants express differing views on the necessity of belief for the therapy's effectiveness, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on the role of consciousness and subconsciousness in therapeutic contexts.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of belief and suggestion in therapy, highlighting the potential for subconscious influence, but do not reach a consensus on the mechanisms at play or the implications for practice.

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"coding" - instilling a subconscious fear

I just came across this article from 2005 and I found it curious

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/01/AR2005100101196.html

I don't know a crap about psychology or medicine, so can somebody with knowledge explain if this therapy is possible to use even against a patient who knows it's just a placebo?
 
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Nikitin said:
I just came across this article from 2005 and I found it curious

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/01/AR2005100101196.html

I don't know a crap about psychology or medicine, so can somebody with knowledge explain if this therapy is possible to use even against a patient who knows it's just a placebo?
If the patient knows it's a joke, it's not going to work. They have to believe on some level.
 


Consciously the patient might think it's a joke, but the subconscious part of his brain might not think so..

It might be the same kind of thing after watching a very nasty horror film, if I'd make a guess.

Anyway, only one reply in this thread? :(
 


Nikitin said:
Consciously the patient might think it's a joke, but the subconscious part of his brain might not think so..

It might be the same kind of thing after watching a very nasty horror film, if I'd make a guess.

Anyway, only one reply in this thread? :(

I think Evo's right, and you're basically saying a different version of the same thing, that the person might believe it on some level while consciously not believing they believe it.

A good hypnotist can circumvent what you consciously believe and get to the undiscriminating child inside you.

The fairly recently recognized phenomenon of Alert Hypnosis

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16696560

allows for the possibility of people being hypnotized without them being aware it's happening, which is what people like Derren Brown claim to be doing sometimes.

To the extent someone could convince you, deep down, that anti-alcoholic "coding" is, in fact effected by the drugs and not the power of suggestion, it ought to work, despite any rumors you've heard to the contrary.
 

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