Coefficient of friction in regards to a clamp force

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The discussion centers around the relationship between the coefficient of friction and the clamp force applied to parts, particularly in the context of clamping a heavy weight using an excavator-mounted hammer. Participants explore the calculations needed to determine the minimum force required to safely hold an 800kg piling sheet between a hydraulic cylinder and a static clamp face.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the coefficient of friction changes with the applied clamp force and seeks to calculate the necessary clamp force to hold a specific weight.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of knowing the coefficient of friction between the clamp and the sheet, noting that it can vary based on material properties and surface cleanliness.
  • A suggestion is made to include a safety margin in the calculations to ensure safety when lifting the weight.
  • One participant raises the idea of specially designed clamps that increase clamping pressure as the sheet moves downward, implying a potential solution to the problem posed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying viewpoints on the factors affecting the coefficient of friction and the necessary calculations, indicating that multiple competing views remain without a consensus on the best approach.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the assumptions regarding the coefficient of friction or the specific calculations needed, leaving these aspects open for further exploration.

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Does coefficient of friction change in regard to clamp force applied to parts?

If you imagine a bench vice, clamping a plate with a weight attached.
Can the clamp force required be calculated to hold a specific weight?

I'm asking because I have an excavator mounted hammer EMV outside. It holds a piling sheet which weighs 800kg between the end of a hyd cylinder and an opposed static clamp face both of which are steel, and I wanted to calc the min force of the ram required to clamp and allow us to pick up the 800kg safely.

Any help or advice would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Nick
 
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Nik_Barbour said:
Does coefficient of friction change in regard to clamp force applied to parts?

If you imagine a bench vice, clamping a plate with a weight attached.
Can the clamp force required be calculated to hold a specific weight?

I'm asking because I have an excavator mounted hammer EMV outside. It holds a piling sheet which weighs 800kg between the end of a hyd cylinder and an opposed static clamp face both of which are steel, and I wanted to calc the min force of the ram required to clamp and allow us to pick up the 800kg safely.

Any help or advice would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Nick
You need to have some idea of the coefficient of friction between the clamp and the sheet. Based on the materials you should be able to look that up online, but it will also depend on the cleanliness of the surfaces.
 
I would suggest you need a good safety margin in the calculation.
 
Aren't there specially made clamps for sheet goods where a downward movement of the sheet results in an increase in clamping pressure?
 
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