Coefficient of static friction with brakes

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The discussion revolves around determining the coefficient of static friction for a car that stops on a level road using anti-lock brakes. The original poster presents a scenario where a car traveling at 83 km/hr stops within a distance of 95 m, leading to questions about the appropriate friction coefficient to use in this context.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of acceleration and the relationship between friction force and normal force. There is debate over whether to use static or sliding friction in the context of anti-lock brakes, with some questioning the relevance of static friction in this scenario.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the calculations and the physics principles involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of Newton's second law and the relationship between forces, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach to take regarding the type of friction to consider.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the definitions and applications of static versus sliding friction, as well as the implications of using anti-lock brakes. The original poster's calculations and assumptions are also under scrutiny.

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On a level road with its brakes on, the shortest distance in which a car traveling with 83 km/hr can stop is 95 m. This shortest distance occurs when the driver uses anti-lock brakes which means that the car brakes without skidding.

What is the coefficient of static friction between the tires and the pavement?

I have determined that the acceleration is 2.80, but now I'm stuck.
 
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Your acceleration of 2.80 m/s^2 looks right. (You should really give the units. The question uses m, km, and hr, so just "2.80" might be 2.80 km/hr^2 !)

The coefficient of friction = friction force / normal force.

The normal force is the weight of the car, so call the mass of the car m kg. Then you can find both forces in terms of m. The mass will cancel out when you find the friction coefficient.
 
However, the coefficient of static friction has nothing to do with this problem! The coefficient of static friction, multiplied by the normal force on an object, gives the force necessary to start the object moving from a stop. In this problem, you should be using sliiding friction.
 
There is no sliding between the tires and the road, assuming the anti-lock brakes are working perfectly.

But I agree that all you can really say is the coefficient of static friction is >= your calculated value.

And because of the anti-lock brakes, the coeff. of sliding friction could be LESS than the calculated value.
 
i'm not really sure how to find the friction force
 
The friction force produces the (negative) acceleration that stops the car.

What does Newton's second law say about force, mass, and acceleration?
 
F=ma
 
conniechiwa said:
F=ma

Yes, and the normal force = mg

masses cancel, in your equations. and you can get coefficient of friction.
 
thanks
 

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