Coherence caused by superconductivity

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The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of superconductivity, specifically focusing on the synchronization of probability waves at low temperatures and the quantum mechanical explanations for zero resistance in superconductive materials. Participants explore concepts such as Cooper pairs, Bose-Einstein statistics, and the mechanisms behind long-range coherence in superconductors.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the effect that causes different probability waves to synchronize into a coherent wave at low temperatures and seeks clarification on the phenomenon's terminology.
  • Another participant suggests that electrons form pairs with collective integer spin, which allows them to obey Bose-Einstein statistics and flow without resistance.
  • There is a query regarding the reason why electrons with collective integer spin do not get scattered by nuclei, with some speculation about tunneling.
  • A later reply introduces the Cooper mechanism, explaining that electrons can form bound pairs due to a many-body effect, with lattice phonons acting as the "glue" that facilitates this pairing.
  • One participant emphasizes that the formation of Cooper pairs reduces energy and references the "Fermi-sea instability" as part of the explanation.
  • Another participant clarifies that the long-range coherence of the pairs, once condensed into a Bose-Einstein state, is responsible for the supercurrent, rather than tunneling.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints regarding the mechanisms of superconductivity, particularly around the formation of Cooper pairs and the implications of Bose-Einstein statistics. There is no consensus on the specifics of why electrons form pairs or the exact nature of their interactions with nuclei.

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Some discussions involve assumptions about the nature of quantum states and the role of lattice phonons, which may not be fully elaborated. The references to specific theoretical concepts and calculations suggest a reliance on established theories that may not be universally agreed upon in this context.

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why do different probability waves synchronize into one coherent wave at low temperatures? I'd like to research this but I don't know what this effect is called. Also, what is the quantum mechanical explanation for why the resistance in a super-conductive metal drops down to 0? Is it that the wavelength of the coherent wave after synchronization becomes long enough to allow individual electrons to quantum teleport through the positive nuclei in their paths? That doesn't sound right to me because "individual" electrons would no longer be distinguishable after they synchronized their quantum states. Would this newly formed coherent wave still diffract around the nuclei and interfere with itself or does it just travel through the nuclei in a ghostly fashion. I suspect the answer is closer to the latter since it seems to me that diffraction would decrease the current. Any help or reference is greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance
 
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Also, what is the quantum mechanical explanation for why the resistance in a super-conductive metal drops down to 0?

As I understand it, electrons form pairs with collective integer spin. These therefore obey Bose-Einstein statistics rather than Fermi-Dirac statistics. The pairs thus are not scattered as they would be otherwise, and are free to flow without resistance.
 
"electrons form pairs with collective integer spin"
my question is why?

"The pairs thus are not scattered as they would be otherwise"
why do electrons with collective integer spin not get scattered by the nuclei? Is this tunneling or what?
 
SpitfireAce said:
"electrons form pairs with collective integer spin"
my question is why?

To answer that, you need to understand the Cooper mechanism.

Electrons can form bound pairs under a "many-body" effect using the material as the "glue". In conventional superconductors, the lattice phonons provide such a glue in the sense that the positive ions and other conduction electrons in the solid provide an "overscreening", so that any kind of net attractive force will result in a bound state. Refer to page 739 of Ashcroft and Mermin.

"The pairs thus are not scattered as they would be otherwise"
why do electrons with collective integer spin not get scattered by the nuclei? Is this tunneling or what?

No, no tunneling, at least not in this case. When the pairs form composite boson AND condenses into the BE state, than this becomes the general property of ANY BE condensate such as superfluidity, etc. You now have what is known as "long-range coherence", in which the "pairs" are now described by, naively, a series of plane waves that can propagate throughout the solid. Thus, it is this long-range coherence that provides the supercurrent.

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SpitfireAce said:
"electrons form pairs with collective integer spin"
my question is why?

because by building the Cooper-pairs electrons can reduse their energy. look at "Fermy - see - instability". to see the calculation look in any theoretical book about superconductivity
 

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