Collision Experiment: Why Roll Back? Magnetic?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around an experiment involving colliding balls on rails, exploring the reasons behind their behavior post-collision, particularly why they roll back towards each other. Participants consider various factors including angular momentum, the physical properties of the balls, and the mechanics of their motion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the balls are dense and rotate faster than their linear movement indicates, storing significant angular momentum that is retained during the collision.
  • Others propose that the balls may be skidding after the collision, losing traction but still rotating, which could explain their return towards each other.
  • A few participants express uncertainty about the visibility of the arrows indicating spin on the balls, with some noting that they only saw them after multiple viewings.
  • There are questions about the homogeneity of the balls, with some suggesting that the density distribution appears symmetrical based on their rolling behavior.
  • One participant mentions the possibility of sidespin affecting visibility and the perception of the arrows.
  • Another participant provides a brief explanation in German regarding momentum exchange during the impact, noting that angular momentum is not exchanged.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the mechanics of the collision and the behavior of the balls, with no clear consensus reached. Some agree on the role of angular momentum, while others question the visibility of the arrows and the homogeneity of the balls.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions about the physical properties of the balls and the specifics of the experimental setup, which remain unresolved.

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Look at this experiment: Why roll the balls after the collision back to each other? Are they magnetic?
 
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Spoiler! Highliight to read:

The balls are quite dense. They are running on rails, which means they are rotating much faster than their movement would indicate. There's a lot of angular momentum stored.
That angular momentum is not lost when they collide and bounce off each other. In effect, as they move apart, they are "skidding" - they've lost traction, but are still rotating. Eventually the rotation gains traction on the rails and the spheres accelerate toward each other again.Reviewing the video again, I can see confirmation that I am right. The balls are not perfect; there is an arrow marked on each of them which shows how they are rotating. You can see the arrows in the closeup (as a matter of fact, you can juuuust catch them at the start of the closeup - at 0:19 juuuuust as they disappear into the black reflection at the bottom.) They are rotating the same direction both before and after the collision.
 
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Gee, that's complicated. I would have just filed a low spot in the rail. :biggrin:
 
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:D The first post I made, which I deleted as superfluous, suggested the rails might simply be bowed in the center. But after more examination, I decided the demo was legit, not just a trick.
 
You're probably right. My eyes aren't that good any more; I can't really see the spin.
 
Hard to say without more data. Is it certain that balls/spheres are made homogeneous ?
 
Danger said:
I can't really see the spin.
Look at the sky reflection, right when they collide.
 
zoki85 said:
Is it certain that balls/spheres are made homogeneous ?
The density distribution seems symmetrical, given how uniformly they roll.
 
A.T. said:
Look at the sky reflection, right when they collide.
Okay, I've got it now. When I first looked at it, that arrow thingie just didn't quite register in my brain. It took half a dozen more viewings before it did. (I saw it; I just couldn't figure out what it was doing.) Maybe temporal dyslexia affects visual things as well as spoken ones. :redface:
 
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I'm not sure why I only saw the arrows appear one time ?
 
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RonL said:
I'm not sure why I only saw the arrows appear one time ?
Maybe there's sidespin as well, so they weren't in a visible spot earlier. Originally, once I realized that they were arrows, I suspected that they might have been digitally added to indicate spin, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
 
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RonL said:
I'm not sure why I only saw the arrows appear one time ?
Because they cross the upper bright part only one time. But you see them also at 0:17 on the left ball, in the lower right part.
 
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A.T. said:
Because they cross the upper bright part only one time. But you see them also at 0:17 on the left ball, in the lower right part.
Thanks, yes:)
 
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Did no one read my spoiler? It describes the arrows.
 
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DaveC426913 said:
Did no one read my spoiler? It describes the arrows.
I just read the OP's "are they magnetic?", watched once, then read your spoiler, then watched again and it all made sense.

Once I realized the balls were rolling on rails the dramatic pushes and attractive reactions all fell into perspective.
 
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DaveC426913 said:
Did no one read my spoiler? It describes the arrows.
I read it, and once I actually realized that they were physically present as opposed to CGI it made sense.
 
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I can't understand what highlight to read, is supposed to do ?
Your next post said you deleted the first one.
Now you ask if no one read it ? I'm confused other than to say post #4 you say it's not a trick o_O:)
 
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RonL said:
I can't understand what highlight to read, is supposed to do ?
I didn't get it at first either, just click and drag the mouse like you are selecting text to copy or quote.
 
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jerromyjon said:
I didn't get it at first either, just click and drag the mouse like you are selecting text to copy or quote.
Thanks, I finally figured it out :) I'm pretty simple minded when it comes to finding text that's not visible. :D
I did slide the mouse on the text that was visible and all that came up was +quote or reply :oops:
 
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DaveC426913 said:
Spoiler! Highliight to read:

The balls are quite dense. They are running on rails, which means they are rotating much faster than their movement would indicate. There's a lot of angular momentum stored.
That angular momentum is not lost when they collide and bounce off each other. In effect, as they move apart, they are "skidding" - they've lost traction, but are still rotating. Eventually the rotation gains traction on the rails and the spheres accelerate toward each other again.Reviewing the video again, I can see confirmation that I am right. The balls are not perfect; there is an arrow marked on each of them which shows how they are rotating. You can see the arrows in the closeup (as a matter of fact, you can juuuust catch them at the start of the closeup - at 0:19 juuuuust as they disappear into the black reflection at the bottom.) They are rotating the same direction both before and after the collision.

I believe this man is right. ( and I didn't say that because he looks like moses.)
 
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In the impact, the spheres exchange momentum but no angular momentum. Therefore a slipping phase follows after the impact until the spheres can roll without friction.

Hier you can find an explanation in German;
 

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