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The discussion revolves around finding the derivative of the function f(x) = sin(2x + 5) and determining the domain of that derivative. Participants are exploring the use of the limit definition of the derivative and the chain rule in the context of trigonometric functions.

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  • Participants discuss the application of the limit definition of the derivative and the chain rule. There are attempts to simplify the expression using trigonometric identities and limit formulas. Some participants question whether the limit definition is necessary given their knowledge of the chain rule.

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The discussion is active with various approaches being explored. Some participants have provided guidance on using trigonometric identities and limit properties, while others express uncertainty about their current direction and whether they are on the right track.

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There is mention of potential confusion regarding the application of the limit definition versus the chain rule, as well as the need to clarify assumptions about the problem setup. Participants are also navigating through the implications of continuity and specific limit values in their reasoning.

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Homework Statement



f(x)=sin(2x+5)

Homework Equations



I am supposed to find the derivative, and the domain of it. The problem is that I cannot deal with the simplification of it.

The Attempt at a Solution



As far as I know, I am suppsosed to use f(x+h)-f(x)/h
= sin(2(x+h)+5)-(sin(2x+5))/h

I tried expanding what's inside, as in sin(2x+2h+5)-sin(2x+5)/h
But that doesn't seem to lead to a solution
 
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Absolutism said:

Homework Statement



f(x)=sin(2x+5)

Homework Equations



I am supposed to find the derivative, and the domain of it. The problem is that I cannot deal with the simplification of it.

The Attempt at a Solution



As far as I know, I am suppsosed to use f(x+h)-f(x)/h
= sin(2(x+h)+5)-(sin(2x+5))/h

I tried expanding what's inside, as in sin(2x+2h+5)-sin(2x+5)/h
But that doesn't seem to lead to a solution
Are you certain that you have to use the limit definition of the derivative here? Have you learned the chain rule yet?
 
I have learned the chain rule, and I am certain I am supposed to use the limit definition in this question
 
OK, then I think you'll need to use the sum identity for sine: sin(A + B) = sin(A)cos(B) + cos(A)sin(B).

You will probably need to use a couple of limit formulas as well:
\lim_{h \to 0}\frac{sin(h)}{h} = 1
\lim_{h \to 0}\frac{cos(h) - 1}{h} = 0
 
recall the trigonometric identity
sin(2(x+h)+5)-(sin(2x+5))=2 sin(h) cos(h+2 x+5)
or in general
sin(A)-sin(B)=2 sin(A/2-B/2) cos(A/2+B/2)
and use the facts that
cosine is continuous
sin'(0)=1
 
Absolutism said:
I have learned the chain rule, and I am certain I am supposed to use the limit definition in this question

Mark44 said:
OK, then I think you'll need to use the sum identity for sine: sin(A + B) = sin(A)cos(B) + cos(A)sin(B).

You will probably need to use a couple of limit formulas as well:
\lim_{h \to 0}\frac{sin(h)}{h} = 1
\lim_{h \to 0}\frac{cos(h) - 1}{h} = 0

lurflurf said:
recall the trigonometric identity
sin(2(x+h)+5)-(sin(2x+5))=2 sin(h) cos(h+2 x+5)
or in general
sin(A)-sin(B)=2 sin(A/2-B/2) cos(A/2+B/2)
and use the facts that
cosine is continuous
sin'(0)=1


Am I supposed to solve for when a --> 0?

That's what I did.

sin(2x+5)-sin(2a+5) = 2sin ((x-a)/2) cos ((x+a)/2)

= sin (2x+5)-sin (5) = 2sin (x/2) cos (x/2)

Then the x was = 0

I am not sure I am on the right track. The derivative is cos(2x+5)(2) .-. I am not supposed to achieve a value. So was I supposed to keep the a?
 
Absolutism said:
Am I supposed to solve for when a --> 0?

That's what I did.

sin(2x+5)-sin(2a+5) = 2sin ((x-a)/2) cos ((x+a)/2)

...

Actually sin(2x+5)-sin(2a+5) = 0

You need to look at sin((2x+5)+h)-sin(2a+5) = 2sin (h/2) cos ((2x+5)+h/2) .
 
SammyS said:
Actually sin(2x+5)-sin(2a+5) = 0

You need to look at sin((2x+5)+h)-sin(2a+5) = 2sin (h/2) cos ((2x+5)+h/2) .


Oh. Alright. Thank you very much :]
 

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