Simplifying the Discrete Time Signal Summation

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The discussion revolves around simplifying the summation of a discrete time signal in the context of Linear Systems and Signals. Participants are examining the zero state response and specific summation steps related to the problem presented in two parts.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to understand the origin of certain terms in the summation, specifically questioning the appearance of +1 and -1 in the equations. Participants discuss the implications of starting indices for summations and how they affect the results.

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Some participants have provided insights into the summation process and the adjustments needed for the indices. There is an ongoing exploration of how to simplify the expressions, with various interpretations being discussed without a clear consensus.

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Participants note that the original form of the summation may have different starting points, which could lead to confusion in the calculations. The urgency of an upcoming final exam adds to the pressure of clarifying these concepts.

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It's been a while since I took Calc 2 and I am in a Linear Systems and Signals class right now. I'm looking at a solution on how to obtain a zero state response of a discrete time signal, but performing the summation confuses me. Can someone explain the steps they did?

This is part A

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/684/partal.jpg/

This is part B

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/11/part2sy.jpg/

In Part A, where did the +1 come from?
Also, how would you simplify the first fraction appearing after the equal sign of Ystep?

In Part B, where did the -1 's come from? Originally, h[m] was just (6/5)\sum(-1/2)m + (24/5)Ʃ(1/3)m

I have a Final next week on this stuff so, any help would be appreciated.
 
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Chandasouk said:
It's been a while since I took Calc 2 and I am in a Linear Systems and Signals class right now. I'm looking at a solution on how to obtain a zero state response of a discrete time signal, but performing the summation confuses me. Can someone explain the steps they did?

This is part A

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/684/partal.jpg/

This is part B

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/11/part2sy.jpg/

In Part A, where did the +1 come from? Also, how would you simplify the first fraction appearing after the equal sign of Ystep?

In Part B, where did the -1 's come from?

I have a Final next week on this stuff so, any help would be appreciated.

Part A: Where did the 1 come from?
\displaystyle \sum_{m=0}^{k}(-2)^m=(-2)^0+\sum_{m=1}^{k}(-2)^m

and of course, (-2)0=1​

As for simplifying the fraction, they have done it quite well.
\displaystyle \frac{1-(-2)^{k+1}}{1-(-2)}=\frac{1-(-2)(-2)^{k}}{3}

\displaystyle =\frac{1}{3}+\frac{2}{3}(-2)^{k}​
 
Chandasouk said:
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In Part B, where did the -1 's come from? Originally, h[m] was just (6/5)\sum(-1/2)m + (24/5)Ʃ(1/3)m

I have a Final next week on this stuff so, any help would be appreciated.
I assume the sum in the original form of h[m] started with m=1. The -1s come from the fact that in Part B, the sums start with m=0.

BTW: You appear to still be very rusty regarding working with summations, considering that your final is next week.

Good Luck !
 
For Part A, the index for the final answer is m = 0 though. You have it at m=1 for (-2)m
 
Chandasouk said:
For Part A, the index for the final answer is m = 0 though. You have it at m=1 for (-2)m
Yes. I left it for you to identify what is what & for you to do a little algebra.

\displaystyle \underbrace{\sum_{m=0}^{k}(-2)^m}_{\text{from 2nd line}}=(-2)^0+\underbrace{\sum_{m=1}^{k}(-2)^m)}_{\text{from 1st line}}
 

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