B Combinatorics: Solving the Distinct Components of a Symmetric Tensor

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The discussion focuses on finding the total combinations of k positive integers constrained by a maximum value n, specifically in the context of symmetric tensors. Participants explore methods to derive a general formula, including fixing cases for small values of n and using inductive reasoning. The conversation highlights the challenge of counting distinct combinations, especially when repetitions occur, and suggests mapping the problem to a sequence of strictly increasing integers to simplify the counting process. A bijection between the sequences of x and y is established, indicating that the number of x sequences corresponds directly to the number of y sequences. This approach offers a potential pathway to derive the desired combinations effectively.
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If I have k positive integers, x1, x2, ..., xk and n(also an integer) where
$$ x_1≤x_2≤x_3≤...≤x_k≤n $$
How can I get the total combinations? I am trying to find the distinct components of a symmetric tensor. But I stuck here.
 
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Hey Chan Pok Fung.

Hint - Try fixing a case for n = 2 and then do an inductive argument.
 
I tried that but I couldn't get a simple mathematical form.
$$n=1, \#= 1$$
$$n=2, \#= 1+k$$
$$n=3, \#= \sum_{i=0}^k (1+k-i)= \frac{(k+1)(k+2)}{2}$$
$$n=4, \#= \sum_{i=0}^k \frac{(k+1)(k+2)}{2} = ...$$
I can't even get the n=4 term :( and I don't how how to generalize it. :(
 
I also tried starting from k = 1, and I still failed...
 
Chan Pok Fung said:
I also tried starting from k = 1, and I still failed...
I hope this is not homework.
How many ways are there of choosing k out of n items?
 
um... I have this doubt after doing my homework. Choosing k out of n items is nCk if they don't repeat. If they can repeat, then it is n^k.
 
Chan Pok Fung said:
um... I have this doubt after doing my homework. Choosing k out of n items is nCk if they don't repeat. If they can repeat, then it is n^k.
Right, so which applies here?
 
should be n^k and I need to find some ways to minus those counted repeatedly. For example, in the case of three objects, 123, 132, 213, 231, 312, 321 are the same. 122, 212, 221 are the same. But combination with "abc" forms are counted as 6 times, "abb" forms are counted as 3 times. Things even become more complicated for larger n and k. That's why I got stuck :(
 
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Chan Pok Fung said:
should be n^k and I need to find some ways to minus those counted repeatedly. For example, in the case of three objects, 123, 132, 213, 231, 312, 321 are the same. 122, 212, 221 are the same. But combination with "abc" forms are counted as 6 times, "abb" forms are counted as 3 times. Things even become more complicated for larger n and k. That's why I got stuck :(
No, there's an easier way.
The trick is to map it into the distinct values case. Consider the sequence yi=xi+i.
 
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I still can't get a clue on that :cry:
 
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Chan Pok Fung said:
I still can't get a clue on that :cry:
Consider an arbitrary sequence of positive integers x1 to xn such that xi<=xi+1.
Now add 1 to the second term, 2 to the third term and so on to produce the sequence yi satisfying yi<yi+1.
It is clear that each x sequence produces a y sequence in a deteministic manner.
We can reverse the process. Given a y sequence, i.e. strictly increasing, we can subtract 1 from the second term, 2 from the third etc. to produce an x sequence. Again, a given y sequence can only produce one possible x sequence.
We have established a bijection, or 1 to 1 correspondence, whatever terminology you are familiar with. Thus there is the same number of x sequences as there is of y sequences.
If the set of x sequences was constrained by xn<=N, what is the constraint for the y sequences?
 
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That sounds to be a clever method! I will try it after finishing my work on hand! Thanks!
 
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