Combined Electric field for two charges using electric potential

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The discussion revolves around calculating the electric potential and electric field at a point P located on the z-axis, due to two equal positive point charges positioned on the x-axis. Participants are exploring the relationships between potential, electric field, and force on a test charge.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the method of calculating the potential from one charge and doubling it, as well as the differentiation of potential to find the electric field. There is also questioning about the direction of the electric field and the correctness of the potential function.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the relationship between potential and electric field, while others are questioning the correctness of their calculations and assumptions. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of the signs in the equations used.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential issues with missing negative signs in their calculations and the implications of the charges being positive on the direction of the electric field.

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Homework Statement



Two equal and positive point charges Q1 and Q2 are a distance d from each other on the x-axis. Find the electric potential at the point P which lies a distance z on the z-axis from their centre. Then find the Electric field at the point, and then find the force F on a charge q placed there.

The Attempt at a Solution



Since the charges are equal, and the distance to the point is the same for both of them, I figured I could just find the potential due to one of the charges, and multiply it by 2. When it comes to the second part, I just took the derivative of the potential and multiplied it times a unit vector. Then I tought the unit vector should point in the z-direction, because the horizontal components of the field will cancel each other out.

But thinking about it, I don't think that will give the correct answer, as some part of the field as stated will disappear... I've attached a picture of my described attempt at a solution.

Would appreciate any help on this one!
 

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gralla55 said:

Homework Statement



Two equal and positive point charges Q1 and Q2 are a distance d from each other on the x-axis. Find the electric potential at the point P which lies a distance z on the z-axis from their centre. Then find the Electric field at the point, and then find the force F on a charge q placed there.

The Attempt at a Solution



Since the charges are equal, and the distance to the point is the same for both of them, I figured I could just find the potential due to one of the charges, and multiply it by 2. When it comes to the second part, I just took the derivative of the potential and multiplied it times a unit vector. Then I tought the unit vector should point in the z-direction, because the horizontal components of the field will cancel each other out.

But thinking about it, I don't think that will give the correct answer, as some part of the field as stated will disappear... I've attached a picture of my described attempt at a solution.

Would appreciate any help on this one!
Along the z axis, the potential due to the two charges depends only upon z, so \displaystyle \ E_z=-\,\frac{dV}{dz}\ . Also, the E field along the z-axis has only a z-component.
 
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Thank you for your reply! Was the potential I found at the point P the correct one? And if so, to find E at that point I just differentiate that expression with regards to z?
 
gralla55 said:
Thank you for your reply! Was the potential I found at the point P the correct one? And if so, to find E at that point I just differentiate that expression with regards to z?
There was a typo, leaving out a negative sign. I have since fixed it.
 
So I took the negative partial derivative of my potential with respect to z, and got the result:

E = -Qz / (2pi*epsilon(z^2 + (d/2)^2)^(3/2)) times the unit vector k.

But this does not look right... Both charges are positive, so the electric field should point upwards. Was there something wrong with my potential function?
 
gralla55 said:
So I took the negative partial derivative of my potential with respect to z, and got the result:

E = -Qz / (2pi*epsilon(z^2 + (d/2)^2)^(3/2)) times the unit vector k.

But this does not look right... Both charges are positive, so the electric field should point upwards. Was there something wrong with my potential function?
You should get an additional negative sign from taking the derivative.

\displaystyle \frac{d}{du}\left(u^2+a\right)^{-1/2}=2u(-1/2)\left(u^2+a\right)^{-3/2}
 
You are correct! Thanks a lot!
 
... and again, all is right with the world .
 

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