Combustion of 5kmol Fuel: Theoretical Air Calculation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the theoretical air required for the combustion of a fuel mixture containing ethane and propene. Participants are tasked with determining the amount of air needed for the combustion of 5 kmol of this fuel, focusing on stoichiometric relationships and the composition of air.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant claims to have calculated the theoretical air needed as 10.2 kmol but is challenged on the accuracy of this figure.
  • Another participant points out that the first reaction provided is incorrect, as it uses the wrong chemical formula for propene, suggesting a need for correction.
  • A participant recalculates the amounts of ethane and propene in the fuel mixture based on the given percentages, leading to a theoretical O2 requirement of 39.8 kmol.
  • There are suggestions to divide the calculated O2 requirement by 0.21 to account for the oxygen percentage in air, but confusion arises regarding the resulting calculations.
  • Some participants emphasize the importance of correctly applying stoichiometric coefficients in the combustion equations for ethane and propene.
  • Multiple participants express uncertainty about the calculations and seek clarification on the correct approach to arrive at the answer.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct answer or method. There are competing views on the calculations and the correct application of stoichiometric principles, leading to ongoing confusion and requests for clarification.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding the correct chemical equations for the combustion of propene and ethane, as well as potential misunderstandings about the stoichiometric ratios involved in the calculations.

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Homework Statement

A fuel contains 48.0 mol% ethane (C2H6) and the remainder of the fuel is propene (C3H6). Determine the theorectical air in kmol for combustion of 5 kmol of the fuel. Give your answer to an accuracy of one decimal place.

I got 10.2 kmol , is this correct?

the reaction are

C3H8 + 5 O2 ---> 3 CO2 + 4 H2O
2(c2h6) + 7(o2) --> 4(co2) + 6(h2o)
 
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No, your answer is too small. How many kmol of O2 are needed, and what fraction of the air is O2?
 
Just making an observation here. The first reaction is unneeded, namely because C3H8 is not the chemical equation of propene. I thought it was a typo at first, but then I noticed that your equation was balanced out. Once you correct that, try again.
 
Lame One said:
Just making an observation here. The first reaction is unneeded, namely because C3H8 is not the chemical equation of propene. I thought it was a typo at first, but then I noticed that your equation was balanced out. Once you correct that, try again.

Oh right, thanks for pointing that out so the equations are;

2C_{2}H_{6} + 7O_{2} = 4CO_{2} + 6H_{2}O

2C_{3}H_{6} + 9O_{2} = 6CO_{2} + 6H_{2}O

we have 5kmol of the fuel, 48% is C_{2}H_{6} and 52% is C_{3}H_{6}

0.48(5) = 2.4 ethene

0.52(5) = 2.6 propene

so to work out the theoretical air, = \frac{ Air supplied - theoretical Air}{theoretical air} \times 100

from the stiochemtric of the equations, theoretical O2 required is ; (2.6 x 7) + (2.4 x 9) = 39.8 kmol theoretical O2

multiply this by 0.21 , as air contains 21% O2 79% N2,

39.8 X 0.21 = 8.358 kmolNot sure where to go from here, any hints?
 
You need to divide by 0.21. Since air is only 21% O2, you need more moles of air to get a certain number of moles of O2. After that, I think you're done.
 
phyzguy said:
You need to divide by 0.21. Since air is only 21% O2, you need more moles of air to get a certain number of moles of O2. After that, I think you're done.

Thank you, But

If I divide by 0.21 I get 189.5? 39.8 / 0.21 = 189.5

The correct answer is 95.7
 
Remember that you're taking seven (or nine) molecules of oxygen for every two molecules of ethane (propene).

Also, you're mixing up the percentages of ethane and propene.
 
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Jack the Stri said:
Remember that you're taking seven (or nine) molecules of oxygen for every two molecules of ethane (propene).

Also, you're mixing up the percentages of ethane and propene.

Still don't get the right answer, can you please show me how to do this?

Thanks
 
Your method is correct, just fill in the correct figures and don't forget to divide by two (because for each mole of e.g. ethane you use 3.5 moles of oxygen, not 7!)
 
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Jack the Stri said:
Your method is correct, just fill in the correct figures and don't forget to divide by two (because for each mole of e.g. ethane you use 3.5 moles of oxygen, not 7!)

Oh right, thanks, that's where I was going wrong,

thanks for your help
 
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You're welcome ^^
 

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