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The discussion centers on understanding the proof of Theorem 3.36 from Stromberg's "An Introduction to Classical Real Analysis," specifically regarding the relationship between the neighborhood U and the complement S'. Participants clarify that if U is not a subset of S', it leads to a contradiction due to the disjoint nature of the sets involved. The importance of compactness is emphasized, as it ensures the existence of a finite subcover, which is crucial for the argument's validity. Additionally, the distinction between finite and infinite intersections of open sets is discussed, highlighting that only finite intersections guarantee the openness of U. The conversation underscores the necessity of these topological properties in proving the theorem.
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I am reading Karl R. Stromberg's book: "An Introduction to Classical Real Analysis". ... ...

I am focused on Chapter 3: Limits and Continuity ... ...

I need help in order to fully understand the proof of Theorem 3.36 on page 102 ... ... Theorem 3.36 and its proof read as follows:

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In the above proof by Stromberg we read the following:

" ... ...Next let $$U = \bigcap_{ k = 1 }^n U_{ y_k }$$. Then $$U$$ is a neighbourhood of $$x$$ and $$U \subset S'$$ ... "
My question is as follows:

It seems plausible that $$U \subset S'$$ ... ...

... ... BUT ... ...

... how would we demonstrate rigorously that $$U \subset S'$$ ... ... ?

(Note that $$S'$$ is $$S$$ complement ...)

Help will be much appreciated ... ...

Peter=================================================================================The above post mentions Hausdorff spaces ... so I am providing access to Stromberg's definition of a Hausdorff space ... as follows:
View attachment 9135I believe it may be helpful to MHB readers to have access to some of Stromberg's terminology and notation associated with topological spaces ... so I am providig access to the same ... as follows:
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Hope that helps ... ...

Peter
 

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Hi Peter,

If $U\not\subset S'$, there is an element $u\in U\cap S$. Since the $V_y$ cover $S$, $u\in V_{y_n}$ for some $n$.

On the other hand, as $u\in U$, $u\in U_{y_k}$ for all $k$. In particular, $u\in U_{y_n}$ and this contradicts the fact that $U_{y_n}$ and $V_{y_n}$ are disjoint.

Note that the fact that $S$ is compact is essential (the theorem would obviously be false otherwise); do you see why?
 
For each $k$, $U_{y_k}$ is disjoint from $U_{y_k}$. Therefore $U$ is disjoint from $V_{y_k}$ (because $U\subseteq U_{y_k}$). That holds for each $k$, and so $U$ is disjoint from $$ \bigcup_{k=1}^n V_{y_k} = V$$. But $S\subseteq V$, so $U$ is disjoint from $S$, in other words $U\subseteq S'$.Edit. Sorry, I didn't see that castor28 had already replied.
 
castor28 said:
Hi Peter,

If $U\not\subset S'$, there is an element $u\in U\cap S$. Since the $V_y$ cover $S$, $u\in V_{y_n}$ for some $n$.

On the other hand, as $u\in U$, $u\in U_{y_k}$ for all $k$. In particular, $u\in U_{y_n}$ and this contradicts the fact that $U_{y_n}$ and $V_{y_n}$ are disjoint.

Note that the fact that $S$ is compact is essential (the theorem would obviously be false otherwise); do you see why?

Thanks castor28 ... ...

You write:

" ... ... Note that the fact that $S$ is compact is essential (the theorem would obviously be false otherwise); do you see why? ... ... "Intriguing question ... Not sure I see why ... can you help ...

Mind you ... the argument given depends on having a finite subcover of S which arises via compactness ... but do we really need a finite cover ... would an infinite cover work with slightly amended arguments ... again ... I am not sure ...Peter

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Opalg said:
For each $k$, $U_{y_k}$ is disjoint from $U_{y_k}$. Therefore $U$ is disjoint from $V_{y_k}$ (because $U\subseteq U_{y_k}$). That holds for each $k$, and so $U$ is disjoint from $$ \bigcup_{k=1}^n V_{y_k} = V$$. But $S\subseteq V$, so $U$ is disjoint from $S$, in other words $U\subseteq S'$.Edit. Sorry, I didn't see that castor28 had already replied.

Thanks for the hep, Opalg ...

Peter
 
Hi Peter,

You need that to ensure that $U$ is a neighborhood of $x$. In a topological space, any union or any finite intersection of open sets is open, but that does not hold for infinite intersections.

For example, in $\mathbb{R}$, the intersection of the open intervals $\{(-x,x)\mid x\ne0\}$ is the singleton $\{0\}$, which is not open.
 
castor28 said:
Hi Peter,

You need that to ensure that $U$ is a neighborhood of $x$. In a topological space, any union or any finite intersection of open sets is open, but that does not hold for infinite intersections.

For example, in $\mathbb{R}$, the intersection of the open intervals $\{(-x,x)\mid x\ne0\}$ is the singleton $\{0\}$, which is not open.

Thanks for that really subtle and interesting point, castor28 ...

Peter
 
We all know the definition of n-dimensional topological manifold uses open sets and homeomorphisms onto the image as open set in ##\mathbb R^n##. It should be possible to reformulate the definition of n-dimensional topological manifold using closed sets on the manifold's topology and on ##\mathbb R^n## ? I'm positive for this. Perhaps the definition of smooth manifold would be problematic, though.

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