Compacting particles to add density

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The discussion centers around the concept of compacting particles to increase their density, specifically focusing on whether combining two particles of the same material, such as copper, can result in a denser particle. The scope includes theoretical considerations and material properties related to density changes under pressure.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that compacting two particles of the same material could create a denser particle and questions the amount of pressure required for this process.
  • Another participant argues that metals have specific atomic arrangements and require significant force to change density, suggesting that simply combining particles does not lead to increased density without a constant external force.
  • This second participant also notes that once the external force is removed, the material tends to return to its original density.
  • A further point is made regarding phase changes, where a participant explains that the density of substances can change dramatically, such as when water transitions from liquid to gas, indicating that density changes can occur under certain conditions but are not applicable to the initial proposal.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of increasing density by compacting particles. There is no consensus, as one participant supports the idea while others challenge it based on material properties and phase behavior.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations regarding the assumptions about particle behavior under pressure and the specific conditions required for density changes, such as the need for external forces and the nature of phase transitions.

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Can you create a denser material then you already have by compacting particles?
Hi, I was wondering if compacting a particle p, you could create an even more dense one. In my theory, you would have a particle of any material, (for example: copper) and you combine it with another copper particle, if you compacted it enough, would the density of the two particles be added up? If so, then what amount of pressure would be required to combine the two. If not and my theory is completely ridiculous, please let me know.
 
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Metals are composed of atoms arranged in a specific pattern at a specific distance from each other via metallic bonds and it takes an incredible amount of force to change their density by any appreciable amount. And once that force is removed the material simply expands back to its original density.

Other materials react in different ways. One example is the transition from the sheet-like structure of graphite to the diamond-cubic structure found in diamonds.

In general, no, you can't create a more dense particle by combining it with another. You typically need a constant external force which isn't provided by just combining particles.

Interested user said:
if you compacted it enough, would the density of the two particles be added up?

This would only be true for a single density value that's twice the original density of the original particles.
 
Ok, thanks for letting me know.
 
A common situation where the density of a substance changes dramatically is changing from liquid to a gas. Adding a little bit of energy to water when it is near the boiling point makes its density change by a factor of a thousand. The molecules of water don't really change but they suddenly need to be very much farther apart. Such phase changes are very interesting indeed
 

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