Comparing Balls' Velocity & Time in the Air

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The problem involves two students conducting physics experiments with balls thrown from a balcony 19.6 m above the ground. One ball is thrown downward at 14.7 m/s, while the other is thrown upward at the same speed. The discussion centers around calculating the velocities of each ball before they hit the ground, the time spent in the air, and their positions after a specific time interval.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of kinematic equations to find the final velocities and time in the air for both balls. There is uncertainty regarding the application of these equations, particularly for the ball thrown upward. Questions arise about the signs of acceleration and displacement in the context of the problem.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on how to approach the problem. Some suggest reconsidering the assumptions about direction and the application of kinematic equations, while others express confusion about the calculations and the implications of negative values.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of sign conventions in physics, particularly regarding upward and downward motion, which may affect their calculations and interpretations of the problem.

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Homework Statement


Two students conduct physics experiments on a balcony 19.6 m above the street. One student throws a ball vertically downward at 14.7 m/s. At the same instant the second student throws a ball vertically upward at the sam speed. The second ball follows the same path as the first ball on its way down.
ΔX=19.6
Vi=14.7
a=-9.8

Homework Equations


A.) What are the velocities of each ball at the instant before they strike the ground? B.) What is the difference in the time the balls spend in the air? C.) How far apart are the balls 0.800s after they are thrown?

The Attempt at a Solution


A.) Vf^2=14.7^2+2(-9.8)(19.6)
Vf^2=-168.07
The square root of a negative number is not a real number obviously so not sure what to do here.
 
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For the ball thrown downward, you can use v_f^2-v_i^2=2a\Delta x directly, but not for the ball thrown upward. You should at first find out how much the ball goes up to stop(find its peak), and then use the peak as the first point which of course means v_i=0 and \Delta x > 19.6.
 
I would have a think about the problem a bit more before tying to solve part a). It might be easier than you think. What do you know about objects thrown vertically upwards?
 
Chasezap said:

Homework Statement



3. The Attempt at a Solution
A.) Vf^2=14.7^2+2(-9.8)(19.6)
Vf^2=-168.07
The square root of a negative number is not a real number obviously so not sure what to do here.
Why did you put a negative sign in front of the value for acceleration?
If you consider acceleration negative this means you consider "up" as positive. What will be the sign of the displacement (the 19.6) in this case?
 

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