Comparing the KE of Alpha and Beta particles

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The discussion revolves around comparing the kinetic energy of alpha and beta particles, focusing on the relationship between their velocities and masses as given in a problem statement.

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  • Participants discuss the initial conditions provided, particularly the velocity relationship between alpha and beta particles. There are attempts to derive the kinetic energy formulas for both types of particles, with some questioning the accuracy of the calculations and the presentation of the problem.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on the clarity of the original poster's work. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need for clearer transcription of equations and the importance of including all relevant terms in calculations.

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There is a noted issue with the original poster's use of an image instead of typed equations, which has led to some confusion. The discussion also highlights potential arithmetic errors and the need for careful cancellation of terms in the kinetic energy ratio.

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Homework Statement
If the speed of an alpha particle is 0.5 VB- how does its kinetic energy compare to the kinetic energy of the beta-minus particle?
Relevant Equations
KE = 1/2 mv^2
I try solving it but the answer didn’t match
 

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You are asking people for help by posting a dimly lit SIDEWAYS figure? This is why the rules say that your efforts should be typed, not posted as an image.
 
phinds said:
You are asking people for help by posting a dimly lit SIDEWAYS figure? This is why the rules say that your efforts should be typed, not posted as an image.
I type too
 
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I type too
You could have transcribed the image for us then.

As I make it out, you start with the given from the problem:
$$v_\alpha = 0.5 v_\beta$$
You write down formulas for the kinetic energy of the alpha and for the beta.
$$K_\alpha=\frac{1}{2}m_\alpha v_\alpha^2$$ $$K_\beta=\frac{1}{2}m_\beta v_\beta^2$$
You write a scribble that looks like you want to substitute ##(0.5v_\beta)## in for ##v_\alpha##

You evaluate $$\frac{K_\alpha}{K_\beta}$$
cancelling terms wildly (work not shown) you appear to end up with everything canceled except for ##0.5^2## and decide that $$0.5^2 = 0.125$$
In addition to that arithmetic error, you have canceled two terms that do not cancel.

Ideally, you would have included at least one more equation in your work:$$\frac{K_\alpha}{K_\beta}=\frac{ \frac{1}{2}m_\alpha (0.5 v_\beta)^2}{ \frac{1}{2}m_\beta v_\beta^2}$$ With that equation cleanly written, the cancellation of terms is easy to do and hard to do wrong.
 
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See, @Hemanta, THAT is what I mean by typing.
 
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