Complex metric solutions in GR

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of complex solutions arising from a metric ansatz in General Relativity (GR), particularly in the context of the Einstein equations. Participants explore the implications of these solutions, referencing established formalisms and their applications in GR.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the interpretation of complex solutions in GR, noting the existence of both real and complex solutions from their metric ansatz.
  • Another participant references the Newman-Janis formalism, suggesting it is used to derive rotating black holes from stationary solutions, but acknowledges that the current discussion is broader.
  • A participant clarifies that the correct term is the Newman-Penrose formalism, which employs complex tetrads and spin coefficients, ultimately leading to real and imaginary parts.
  • Discussion includes the concept of the NUT parameter, described as akin to an imaginary mass, and mentions the possibility of transforming mass into NUT through a duality rotation.
  • Several participants emphasize the Newman-Penrose formalism's relevance in transitioning from Schwarzschild to Kerr solutions.
  • A reference to a paper on the Newman-Penrose approach to twisting degenerate metrics is provided, indicating ongoing research in this area.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit some agreement on the terminology and relevance of the Newman-Penrose formalism, but there remains uncertainty regarding the interpretation of complex solutions in GR and how they relate to conventional GR frameworks.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the potential dependence on specific definitions of complex solutions and the unresolved nature of how these solutions can be reconciled with conventional GR interpretations.

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A friend of mine had the following funny question:

Imagine I have a metric ansatz with two unknown functions. The Einstein equations give both real and complex solutions for the unknown functions.

Question: Is there a decent interpretation of these complex solutions in GR?

We know about this Newman-Janis formalism in which one uses a complex metric ansatz in order to obtain rotating black holes from stationary solutions, but this is a more general situation.

Any suggestions are appreciated :)
 
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I know about complex geometry; I was just wondering if these solutions also can be interpreted in conventional GR :)
 
Not the Newman-Janis formalism, it's called the Newman-Penrose formalism. Well if you don't want a complex geometry then you have to get back to a real one somehow. Newman and Penrose use a complex tetrad and complex spin coefficients but wind up taking real and imaginary parts.

The NUT parameter is like an imaginary mass, and you can transform mass into NUT and vice versa by doing the gravitational analog of a duality rotation. This can be applied to more general solutions than just Kerr.
 
Bill_K said:
Not the Newman-Janis formalism, it's called the Newman-Penrose formalism.

The Newman-Janis "trick" for going from Schwarzschild to Kerr uses the Newman-Penrose formalism.
 
The Newman-Janis "trick" for going from Schwarzschild to Kerr uses the Newman-Penrose formalism.
Indeed it does.
 

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