GR with Riemannian ( ) metric?

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The discussion revolves around the implications and characteristics of General Relativity (GR) when using a Riemannian metric instead of the conventional pseudo-Riemannian metric. Participants explore whether black holes can exist in this framework and consider the possibility of a metric that transitions from Riemannian to pseudo-Riemannian across a manifold.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the necessity of a pseudo-Riemannian metric in GR and asks if interesting phenomena, such as black holes, can still arise with a Riemannian metric.
  • Another participant references several academic papers that may provide insights into the transition from Euclidean to Lorentzian frameworks and the nature of black holes with Euclidean cores.
  • A different participant notes that switching metric signatures would lead to degeneracies at the boundary, which could complicate the application of Einstein's formulation of GR, as it struggles with degenerate metrics.
  • It is mentioned that the Ashtekar formulation of GR can accommodate degeneracies, and there are remarks on the non-uniqueness in extending Einstein's GR to include such formulations.
  • A participant shares a link to their own discussion on the topic, suggesting further reading on the matter.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of using a Riemannian metric in GR, particularly regarding the existence of black holes and the handling of metric degeneracies. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the nature of the metrics and the implications of degeneracies, which are not fully explored in the discussion.

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GR with Riemannian (++++) metric?

Neither the Einstein field equations nor the Einstein-Hilbert action requires pseudo-remannian metrc. Is there anything interesting about GR with Riemannian metric? Are there still black holes?

Also, is it possible to find a solution to GR in which the metric is Riemannian in half of the manifold and pseudo-Riemannian in the other half? Joined up like how a black hole and a white hole are joined in Kruskal metric?
 
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Thanks! It'll take me some time to look at the papers.
 


If a metric is going to switch over from one signature to another, it's going to be degenerate on the boundary. Einstein's formulation of GR has problems when the metric is degenerate. You can't raise and lower indices, etc. The Ashtekar formulation of GR can handle degeneracies. There are some interesting remarks on this in Rovelli, "Ashtekar formulation of general relativity and loop-space non-perturbative quantum gravity: a report." Apparently there is some non-uniqueness in the extension of Einstein's GR to formulations that allow degeneracies.
 


I've written a discussion of this: http://www.lightandmatter.com/html_books/genrel/ch06/ch06.html#Section6.4
 
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