Kerr & Kerr-Newman Solutions in Straumann's GR

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The discussion revolves around the Kerr and Kerr-Newman solutions as presented in Norbert Straumann's book on General Relativity, particularly in the context of black holes. Participants explore the implications of these solutions for rotating charged objects and their applicability beyond black holes, while also addressing the uniqueness and interior solutions related to these metrics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether the Kerr and Kerr-Newman solutions are exclusively applicable to black holes, suggesting that they may also pertain to other rotating charged objects.
  • There is a discussion about the limitations of the Kerr solution, particularly that it is a vacuum solution and does not provide interior solutions that match its exterior.
  • Some participants mention the uniqueness theorem related to the Kerr and Kerr-Newman solutions, noting that while they are claimed to be unique under certain conditions, this does not apply universally to all rotating, axisymmetric objects.
  • There is speculation about the possibility of a star having a net charge, with references to papers that suggest this could be feasible.
  • Participants propose hypothetical scenarios, such as a rotating charged football or even fictional constructs like the Death Star, to discuss the gravitational effects and applicability of the Kerr-Newman metric in less extreme contexts.
  • One participant recommends a review of Kerr solutions to clarify the distinctions between rotating black holes and other compact objects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability of the Kerr and Kerr-Newman solutions beyond black holes, with some asserting that these solutions may not be limited to black holes while others emphasize their specific relevance to such objects. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the existence of interior solutions and the implications of the uniqueness theorem.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the applicability of the Kerr and Kerr-Newman solutions to various objects, particularly concerning the lack of known interior solutions that correspond to these metrics. Additionally, the uniqueness theorem's conditions are not fully clarified in the context of all rotating objects.

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In the book General Relativity by Norbert Straumann, He derives the Kerr's solution in the chapter about black holes and then modifies it to get the Kerr-Newman solution. Then he calculates the g-factor of a rotating charged black hole using the Kerr-Newman solution(and gets the amazing result 2). But all along the way, he calls the gravitating body a black hole. But these solutions aren't only for black holes right? So he only calls the object black hole because he's doing all of these things in the black holes' chapter? If this is correct, so any rotating charged object has g-factor 2 in GR? In contrast to classical physics where there is no g?
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The Kerr and Kerr-Newman solutions are valid as the exterior solutions only. They do not work on the interior of the object because they are vacuum solutions. However, unlike the Schwarzschild case where good interior solutions are known and match the exterior solutions, I don't believe there has been a good interior solution that matches the Kerr solution. In addition, there's no analogue of Birkhoff's theorem that I am aware of that applies to the Kerr solution. So whereas the Schwarzschild solution describes the exterior of any spherically symmetric and static body, I don't think there's a guarantee that the Kerr solution is the exterior of any rotating , axisymmetric object.
 
Matterwave said:
The Kerr and Kerr-Newman solutions are valid as the exterior solutions only. They do not work on the interior of the object because they are vacuum solutions. However, unlike the Schwarzschild case where good interior solutions are known and match the exterior solutions, I don't believe there has been a good interior solution that matches the Kerr solution. In addition, there's no analogue of Birkhoff's theorem that I am aware of that applies to the Kerr solution. So whereas the Schwarzschild solution describes the exterior of any spherically symmetric and static body, I don't think there's a guarantee that the Kerr solution is the exterior of any rotating , axisymmetric object.
About uniqueness theorem, I found these papers which say that Kerr and Kerr-Newman solutions actually are unique. But I haven't read these papers and also from a video lecture on GR, I know they are true under certain conditions and not for all axially symmetric rotating objects.(But its not mentioned in the abstract of these papers!)
http://arxiv.org/pdf/hep-th/0101012.pdf
http://sma.epfl.ch/~wwywong/thesis.pdf
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1208.0294v1.pdf
http://luth.obspm.fr/~luthier/carter/trav/Carter71.pdf

But the fact that there is still no solution for interior of the object that matches Kerr and Kerr-Newman solutions, seems to be a good reason for these solutions being only applicable for BHs...at least yet.
Is it only that interior solutions haven't been found yet, or there is a special kind of peculiarity with them?
 
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In fact I was just making some comments on the Kerr solution. Comments that I thought may help you in these areas. However, I am far from an expert in this field, so I don't think I can give you much more insight that I already have haha.
 
Could a star have a net charge?
 
Shyan said:
But even if its not possible, I don't have to talk about stars. I can talk about a rotating charged football.

And what kind of "gravitational effects" would you suspect around a football ? They would be highly perturbative/weak... that's why I thought of a star as another stage [apart a black hole] where you could apply the K-N metric.
 
ChrisVer said:
And what kind of "gravitational effects" would you suspect around a football ? They would be highly perturbative/weak... that's why I thought of a star as another stage [apart a black hole] where you could apply the K-N metric.
Ok, take the Death Star(in Star Wars). I just mean we can imagine something that allows us to assign it a net charge.
Also a weak gravitational field still follows GR. We can choose not to expand!
 
I highly recommend you read Visser's classic review of Kerr as it will answer all your questions: http://arxiv.org/pdf/0706.0622v3.pdf

But in short Straumann's calculations in chapter 8 apply necessarily to a rotating black hole but not necessarily to any and all rotating compact objects.
 
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