Complex Variable Basic Proof by Induction (I'm lost.)

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The discussion revolves around using mathematical induction to prove a property of complex numbers, specifically that the complex conjugate of a sum of complex numbers equals the sum of their conjugates for n = 2, 3, ... Participants are exploring the implications of the induction hypothesis and the structure of the proof.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss how to establish the base case for n = 2 and clarify the meaning of the induction variable. There are attempts to articulate the inductive step and how to extend the hypothesis from n to n + 1.

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Some participants have provided guidance on how to approach the proof, particularly in clarifying the base case and the structure of the inductive step. There is an ongoing exploration of how to correctly apply the induction hypothesis without introducing unnecessary complexity.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the starting point of the induction and the interpretation of the terms involved. Some participants mention that the proof should focus on the indices of the terms rather than their values.

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Homework Statement



Use mathematical induction to show that when n = 2,3,...,

\overline{z_1+z_2+\cdots +z_n} = \bar{z_1} + \bar{z_2} + \cdots + \bar{z_n}


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\overline{z_1 + z_2} = \bar{z_1} + \bar{z_2}


The Attempt at a Solution



So help me get started on the first step because I am new to induction. The only proofs I've done/seen (not many) were proved for each n \in N. With that said how do I even start by showing that P(1) holds because the n = 2, 3, ... is throwing me off because 1 is not in there. Does it mean show for all numbers starting from 2? So should I be proving P(2) holds in the first step? Thank you.
 
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Yes, Prove that it is true for n=2 as a first step, then assume for n and then using that prove that it is also true for n+1
 
So to show P(2) holds:

P(2) = \bar{2} = \bar{2}

this seems goofy. So should it be this way instead?

LHS = \overline{2+3} = \bar{5}

RHS = \bar{2}+\bar{3} = \bar{5}

Then \bar{5} = \bar{5}. So P(2) is true.
 
In this case the inductive variable n is referring to the indeces of the terms, not the values of the terms. So P(2) is the statement

\overline{(z_1+z_2)} = \overline{z_1} + \overline{z_2}

while P(3) is

\overline{(z_1+z_2+z_3)}=\overline{z_1} + \overline{z_2} + \overline{z_3}.

(Side comment P(1) is trivially true since z-bar = z-bar is an identity and not useful here.)

As n increases, the number of terms increases. Assuming it works for n terms, you need to show that the complex conjugate of the sum of n + 1 terms is the sum of the individual conjugates.

--Elucidus
 
Thank you Elucidus for clearing up most of my confusion on P(2). For the induction step 2 I think I figured it out but I'm not sure. Here's what I did let me know what you think:

Assume p(n) is true for n = 2, 3, ...,

Show that p(n+1) is true

LHS = \overline{z_1 + z_2 + ... + z_n + z_{n+1}} = \overline{(x_n + iy_n) + (x_{n+1} + iy_{n+1})} = (x_n-iy_n) + (x_{n+1} - iy_{n+1}) = \overline{z_n} + \overline{z_{n+1}} = RHS
 
DEMJ said:
Thank you Elucidus for clearing up most of my confusion on P(2). For the induction step 2 I think I figured it out but I'm not sure. Here's what I did let me know what you think:

Assume p(n) is true for n = 2, 3, ...,

Show that p(n+1) is true

LHS = \overline{z_1 + z_2 + ... + z_n + z_{n+1}} = \overline{(x_n + iy_n) + (x_{n+1} + iy_{n+1})} = (x_n-iy_n) + (x_{n+1} - iy_{n+1}) = \overline{z_n} + \overline{z_{n+1}} = RHS
No, don't switch to "x+ iy" now. You know (induction hypothesis) that \overline{z_1+ z_2+ \cdot\cdot\cdot+ z_n}= \overline{z_1}+ \overline{z_2}+ \cdot\cdot\cdot+ \overline{z_n} and now you want to extend that to z_{n+1}. Okay, think of z_1+ z_2+ \cdot\cdot\cdot+ z_n+ z_{n+1} as the sum of two numbers: (z_1+ z_2+ \cdot\cdot\cdot+ z_n) and z_{n+1}.

Since you know that for two numbers, \overline{z_1+ z_2}= \overline{z_1}+ \overline{z_2}, you know that \overline{z_1+ z_2+ \cdot\cdot\cdot+ z_n+ z_{n+1}}= \overline{z_1+ z_2+ \cdot\cdot\cdot+ z_n}+ \overline{z_{n+1}}.
 

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