Composing Functions and Finding Derivatives

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The discussion revolves around the composition of functions and finding derivatives, specifically involving a scalar function f and a vector function c. The original poster attempts to find the derivative of the composition (f ∘ c)(t) and evaluate it at t = 0.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the correct composition of the functions, with some questioning the original poster's initial approach. There is discussion about how c(t) maps a scalar to a vector and how f maps that vector to a scalar. The need to simplify the expression for f(c(t)) is also noted.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, clarifying the composition of functions and the implications for finding the derivative. Some have provided guidance on how to correctly express f(c(t)), while others are questioning the outcomes of their calculations.

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There is an ongoing discussion about the assumptions regarding the functions and their compositions, as well as the implications of the results being constant values. The original poster expresses confusion about the results, indicating a need for further exploration of the concepts involved.

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I have two functions:

f(x,y,z)=\sqrt{x^{2}+y^{2}+z^{2}}
\vec{c}(t)=<cos(t),sin(t),1>

I need to find:
(f \circ c)'(t)
and
(f \circ c)'(0)

I don't have any answers to work with, but I'm guessing I just stick f into c to get this:

\vec{c}(t)=<cos(\sqrt{x^{2}+y^{2}+z^{2}}),sin(\sqrt{x^{2}+y^{2}+z^{2}}),1>

Then once I have that get the derivative matrix and plug in 0?
 
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what you didn't doesn't make sense

c maps the scalar t to the vector (x(t),y(t),z(t))
f maps the vector (x,y,z) to a scalar f(x,y,z)

so you want to find f(c(t))
f(c(t)) will map t to a scalar
 
lanedance said:
what you didn't doesn't make sense

c maps the scalar t to the vector (x(t),y(t),z(t))
f maps the vector (x,y,z) to a scalar f(x,y,z)

so you want to find f(c(t))
f(c(t)) will map t to a scalar

I follow you. So I really should be working with this after I put everything together?

f(x,y,z)=\sqrt{(cos(t))^{2}+(sin(t))^{2}+(1)^{2}}
 
looks better, and if you want to include everything explicitly
(f \circ c)(t) = f(c(t)) = f(x(t),y(t),z(T))=\sqrt{(cos(t))^{2}+(sin(t))^{2}+(1)^{2}}
 
Lancelot59 said:
I follow you. So I really should be working with this after I put everything together?

f(x,y,z)=\sqrt{(cos(t))^{2}+(sin(t))^{2}+(1)^{2}}

Yep. Now just simplify that expression.
 
...I did all that just to get the square root of 2? What a rip off. So the function is just going to be equal to the root of two, and the derivative is zero?
 
Lancelot59 said:
...I did all that just to get the square root of 2? What a rip off. So the derivative of the function at any point is therefore a constant root 2?

no, the function at any point is a constant root 2.
 
f\circ c(x) means f(c(x)) not g(f(x)).
 

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