Compressed Air Bottle Rocket (Variable Mass)

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The discussion revolves around calculating the maximum distance a bottle rocket, powered by compressed air at 654 kPa, can travel. The problem involves understanding the dynamics of a variable mass system, specifically how the exhaust nozzle size affects performance while neglecting air resistance. The original mass of the bottle is noted as 50g.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to apply the Ideal Gas Law and Bernoulli's equation but express confusion regarding the variables and unknowns involved. There is a request for help in formulating expressions related to launch angles and nozzle area.

Discussion Status

Some participants have made progress in deriving equations related to thrust and gas dynamics, while others express uncertainty about the implications of their calculations and the physical meaning of certain parameters. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity of the problem, particularly regarding the changing mass of the rocket and the non-constant thrust force.

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Participants are working under the constraint of not wanting a complete solution provided, focusing instead on guidance for formulating their approach. There is also a mention of assumptions regarding external atmospheric conditions being at standard temperature and pressure (STP).

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Homework Statement


I need to find the maximum distance a rocket (which is actually a bottle filled with compressed air to 654kPa) can travel when the exhuast nozzle is 22cm (and can be changed to any smaller size if needed). Neglect air resistance. The bottles original mass is 50g


Homework Equations


Ideal Gas Law: PV = nRT
Bernoullis equation: \rhogh + (1/2)\rhoV^2 + P = constant
Thrust Equation: T = m`v
\rho_{1}A_{1}V_{1}=rho_{2}A_{2}V_{2}=m`
R = \dot{m}v
= \rhoAV(v-v_{0}

Density of Air = 1.2062kg/m^3
Pressure of Air = 101.3kPa

The Attempt at a Solution


Well i don't know.
I can't seem to figure out anything here. Bernoulli's equation won't work cause i end up with unknowns on both sides.
m` doesn't make sense. I don't know if i just just sub in a number
veloctity of the gases - i don't know how to find them

im just confused how to do this :x

(ps - i don't want the thing solved. can i just get some help in formulating expressions which can be integrated between 1. Angles of launch and 2. Area of the nozzle)
 
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Aftermarth said:

Homework Statement


I need to find the maximum distance a rocket (which is actually a bottle filled with compressed air to 654kPa) can travel when the exhuast nozzle is 22cm (and can be changed to any smaller size if needed). Neglect air resistance. The bottles original mass is 50g


Homework Equations


Ideal Gas Law: PV = nRT
Bernoullis equation: \rhogh + (1/2)\rhoV^2 + P = constant
Thrust Equation: T = m`v
\rho_{1}A_{1}V_{1}=rho_{2}A_{2}V_{2}=m`
R = \dot{m}v
= \rhoAV(v-v_{0}

Density of Air = 1.2062kg/m^3
Pressure of Air = 101.3kPa

The Attempt at a Solution


Well i don't know.
I can't seem to figure out anything here. Bernoulli's equation won't work cause i end up with unknowns on both sides.
m` doesn't make sense. I don't know if i just just sub in a number
veloctity of the gases - i don't know how to find them

im just confused how to do this :x

(ps - i don't want the thing solved. can i just get some help in formulating expressions which can be integrated between 1. Angles of launch and 2. Area of the nozzle)


This is a complicated question, even if you ignore air resistance. The mass of the rocket is continually changing as the gas is expelled. If you ignore this change in mass, the problem becomes more manageable but is still complicated because the thrust force is not constant - it decreases as the gas is expelled.

When the rocket reaches maximum height, it has kinetic and potential energy. The kinetic energy due to its horizontal speed (vertical speed = 0) and its potential energy at maximum height a function of that height. This energy has to come from the work done by rocket propulsion. Determine the expression for that work (ie. thrust x distance) and that will give you the total energy imparted to the rocket. It is not a trivial calculation.

AM
 
ok. here is an update on my progress...

Thrust = \dot{m}v
where v = (v - v_{0})
and \dot{m} = \rhoAV

using the gas laws (PV = nRT) and Boyle's Law (\rho = (MP)/(RT)
along with Pressure/ Temperature = constant

T(inside bottle) = 654/T = 101.325/293.15 (NOTE - i have assumed the atmosphere outside the bottle is STP P = 101.325kPa, T = 293.15K)

T = 1892K (this seems very high can someone please verify this!)

Subbing average molar mass of air = 28.97g/mol and T into boyle's law gives
\rho = 1.2062
(so density of the air does not change inside the bottle??)

Now i have for INSIDE the bottle: P = 654kPa, T = 1892K \rho=1.2062kg/m^3
for OUTSDIE the bottle P = 101.325kPa T = 293.15K \rho= 1.2062kg/m^3

subbing into Bernoulli's Equation and rearranging gives
(V^{2}_{1} - V^{2}_{2} = 916.39 (u haven't worked out units for this value yet)

Also i now have the equation
m`v + pA -mg - R = mv^{.}
ignoring R as the resistance force gives
T + pA - mg = mv^{.} (as thrust is m`v)

and i don't know how to work out p which is supposed to be nozzle exit pressure or something like that :s
 
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- paul
 
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