Compression in Accelerating Springs.

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The discussion centers on the behavior of a spring connecting two masses when a force is applied to one end. Using Hooke's law, the initial compression of the spring is calculated as x = F/k when force F is applied to both ends. However, when the force is applied only to the right mass, the resulting acceleration of the system is halved, leading to a different compression value of x = F/2k for the left mass. Confusion arises regarding the comparison of this scenario to another post that claims the compression remains the same. Ultimately, the key point is that the acceleration of the left mass does not match the system's acceleration until the spring is fully compressed.
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Suppose I have two masses with mass M each connected together by a spring with spring constant k like this:
[PLAIN]http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/4896/springs1.png

Then I apply a force of F at both ends:
[PLAIN]http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/2562/spring2.png

Then using Hooke's law F=kx, the compression of the spring x would be given by:
x=F/k

So now if I apply the same force F just to the right end like this:
[PLAIN]http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/4236/spring3.png

The acceleration of the system is given by Newton's 2nd Law F=ma
F=2Ma
a=\frac{F}{2M}

And the acceleration of the mass on the left is the same as the entire system so the force is:
F_{left mass}=Ma
F_{left mass}=M\frac{F}{2M}
F_{left mass}=\frac{F}{2}

This force must be supplied by the spring so using hookes law:
\frac{F}{2}=kx
x=\frac{F}{2k}

This value is half as much as before.

Here is where I'm confused can anyone explain the difference between this and the situation described in this post http://scienceblogs.com/dotphysics/2008/10/fake-vs-real-forces/" where it is said the compression is "the compression is EXACTLY the same before"

What mistakes have I made?
 
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jimmyw;2902875 And the acceleration of the mass on the left is the same as the entire system so the force is: [/QUOTE said:
I am not sure ... but its wrong i believe because when you push the mass on right .. the mass on left doesn't have same acceleration until the string can't compress anymore.

Still i would prefer someone more of an expert to justify this.
 
I'm not worried about that statement.

After the spring has compressed, the acceleration of the mass on the left is the same as the entire system
 
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