Compressor Water Cooled Chiller Thermal Calculations

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This discussion focuses on the thermal calculations necessary for optimizing a water-cooled chiller system, particularly in relation to the condenser, evaporator, and compressor dynamics. Key equations mentioned include Q = 500 * GPM * dT and Q = cp * Flow * density * dT, which are essential for determining supply temperatures and flow rates. The conversation emphasizes that there is no straightforward equation linking chilled water supply setpoints to compressor load, as it involves complex system dynamics and multiple variables. Additionally, performance maps from manufacturers are crucial for accurate calculations of compressor running load amperage (RLA).

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  • Understanding of thermodynamics principles related to refrigeration cycles
  • Familiarity with specific heat capacity calculations
  • Knowledge of chiller system components: evaporator, condenser, and compressor
  • Ability to interpret performance maps from chiller manufacturers
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Hi All,

Is there a list of thermodynamics equations regarding the chiller process from condenser, evaporator, compressor to the regulator.

Say I have chiller load at 90%, what set of equations could I use to determine the supply temperature of chill water and condenser supply temperature to set to reduce that load to say 85% while keeping the same flow rate?

There's the usual estimate of Q = 500 * GPM * dT, but it is insufficient for my needs.

Thank you.
 
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If I understand correctly this is an analysis of a water chiller used to cool a heat exchanger from a refrigeration cycle. If you know the heat output from that cycle's heat exchanger, can you just directly calculate how much water flow is needed using water's specific heat capacity?
 
Mech_Engineer said:
If I understand correctly this is an analysis of a water chiller used to cool a heat exchanger from a refrigeration cycle. If you know the heat output from that cycle's heat exchanger, can you just directly calculate how much water flow is needed using water's specific heat capacity?
What I am looking for is a set of equation showing the relationship between the chilled water supply setpoint and the compressor load(centrifugal compressor % running). I understands that Q(Load) = Efficiency * Q(Chiller) and Q = cp * Flow * density * dT. But how would this relates to compressor load? Thank you for your time.
 
Three issues here:
1. There is no simple equation for this. It depends on the combined dynamics of the chiller and load.
2. You have too many unknowns: Load is not just a function of supply temperature. It either is what it is or is determined by its own potentially complicated system dynamics.
3. I suspect there is more to this problem than you are telling us. If you elaborate on the problem you are trying to solve, we will undoubtedly be able to provide better help.
 
russ_watters said:
Three issues here:
1. There is no simple equation for this. It depends on the combined dynamics of the chiller and load.
2. You have too many unknowns: Load is not just a function of supply temperature. It either is what it is or is determined by its own potentially complicated system dynamics.
3. I suspect there is more to this problem than you are telling us. If you elaborate on the problem you are trying to solve, we will undoubtedly be able to provide better help.
Hi Russ,
There are more to this problem but I would first like to be educated on this:
Say for a given chiller system, I would like the evaporator water leaving temperature set at say 6C with a 4000gpm flow rate and the evaporator returning temperature at 14C. Now I know that the total cooling RT is Q = 500 * GPM * dF, but how would this translate to the RLA of the chiller compressor?
 
The only way for a real chiller to calculate that would be to get a performance map from the manufacturer. I say "map" because in addition to evaporator flow and temperature, you need condenser flow and temperature. The manufacturer should be able to provide the efficiency at those conditions, from which you can calculate the RLA.
 

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