Compressor Water Cooled Chiller Thermal Calculations

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the thermal calculations involved in the operation of water-cooled chillers, specifically focusing on the relationships between chiller load, supply temperatures, and flow rates. Participants seek to identify relevant thermodynamic equations and explore the dynamics of the chiller system in relation to its performance metrics.

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  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests a comprehensive list of thermodynamic equations applicable to the chiller process, particularly for calculating supply temperatures at different load conditions.
  • Another participant suggests that knowing the heat output from the heat exchanger could allow for direct calculation of the required water flow using specific heat capacity.
  • A different participant seeks to understand the relationship between chilled water supply setpoint and compressor load, referencing equations related to load and efficiency.
  • Some participants emphasize the complexity of the problem, noting that there is no simple equation due to the combined dynamics of the chiller and load, and that load is influenced by more factors than just supply temperature.
  • One participant mentions the necessity of a performance map from the manufacturer to accurately calculate the required load amperage (RLA) based on specific operating conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the complexity of the calculations involved, with some asserting that the relationship between variables is not straightforward. There is no consensus on a single approach or set of equations that can universally apply to the problem presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations such as the presence of multiple unknowns in the system dynamics and the need for specific performance data from manufacturers to make accurate calculations.

David Gin
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Hi All,

Is there a list of thermodynamics equations regarding the chiller process from condenser, evaporator, compressor to the regulator.

Say I have chiller load at 90%, what set of equations could I use to determine the supply temperature of chill water and condenser supply temperature to set to reduce that load to say 85% while keeping the same flow rate?

There's the usual estimate of Q = 500 * GPM * dT, but it is insufficient for my needs.

Thank you.
 
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If I understand correctly this is an analysis of a water chiller used to cool a heat exchanger from a refrigeration cycle. If you know the heat output from that cycle's heat exchanger, can you just directly calculate how much water flow is needed using water's specific heat capacity?
 
Mech_Engineer said:
If I understand correctly this is an analysis of a water chiller used to cool a heat exchanger from a refrigeration cycle. If you know the heat output from that cycle's heat exchanger, can you just directly calculate how much water flow is needed using water's specific heat capacity?
What I am looking for is a set of equation showing the relationship between the chilled water supply setpoint and the compressor load(centrifugal compressor % running). I understands that Q(Load) = Efficiency * Q(Chiller) and Q = cp * Flow * density * dT. But how would this relates to compressor load? Thank you for your time.
 
Three issues here:
1. There is no simple equation for this. It depends on the combined dynamics of the chiller and load.
2. You have too many unknowns: Load is not just a function of supply temperature. It either is what it is or is determined by its own potentially complicated system dynamics.
3. I suspect there is more to this problem than you are telling us. If you elaborate on the problem you are trying to solve, we will undoubtedly be able to provide better help.
 
russ_watters said:
Three issues here:
1. There is no simple equation for this. It depends on the combined dynamics of the chiller and load.
2. You have too many unknowns: Load is not just a function of supply temperature. It either is what it is or is determined by its own potentially complicated system dynamics.
3. I suspect there is more to this problem than you are telling us. If you elaborate on the problem you are trying to solve, we will undoubtedly be able to provide better help.
Hi Russ,
There are more to this problem but I would first like to be educated on this:
Say for a given chiller system, I would like the evaporator water leaving temperature set at say 6C with a 4000gpm flow rate and the evaporator returning temperature at 14C. Now I know that the total cooling RT is Q = 500 * GPM * dF, but how would this translate to the RLA of the chiller compressor?
 
The only way for a real chiller to calculate that would be to get a performance map from the manufacturer. I say "map" because in addition to evaporator flow and temperature, you need condenser flow and temperature. The manufacturer should be able to provide the efficiency at those conditions, from which you can calculate the RLA.
 

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