Compton Effect -- Why is the electron considered to initially be at rest?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the Compton effect, specifically addressing why the electron is considered to be at rest during the interaction with an incident photon. The scope includes theoretical explanations and conceptual clarifications related to the behavior of electrons in this context.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the electron is considered a free electron because the energy of the incident photon is much larger than the binding energy of the atomic electron.
  • Another participant explains that in typical setups for the Compton effect, the thermal energy of the electrons is negligible compared to the energy of the incoming gamma quanta, allowing the assumption that they are at rest.
  • A later reply questions the assumption of the electrons being at rest by bringing up the concept of orbital velocity around the nucleus.
  • Another participant asserts that electrons do not move in circular orbits around the nucleus, implying a different understanding of electron behavior.
  • One participant introduces the idea that interactions with photons can lead to processes other than Compton scattering, such as the photoelectric effect or bremsstrahlung, which are also covered in quantum theory.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the motion of electrons, particularly regarding their orbital velocities and the implications for the Compton effect. There is no consensus on the treatment of electrons as being at rest, as some challenge this assumption.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in assumptions regarding electron motion, particularly the neglect of thermal and orbital velocities, and the potential for various interaction processes with photons.

Viona
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Hi every one,

In Compton effect I understand that the electron is considered free electron because the energy of the incident photon is very much larger than the binding energy of the atomic electron. But iam not sure why the electron is considered to be at rest (v=0). please help.
Thanks.
 
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A typical setup for the Compton effect is to scatter X-rays (or gamma-rays) on a fixed target. The thermal energy of the electrons in this target (of the order ##k_{\text{B}} T##) is so much smaller than the energy of the incoming gamma quanta that you can neglect the thermal motion of the electrons, i.e., you can assume they are at rest.
 
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vanhees71 said:
A typical setup for the Compton effect is to scatter X-rays (or gamma-rays) on a fixed target. The thermal energy of the electrons in this target (of the order ##k_{\text{B}} T##) is so much smaller than the energy of the incoming gamma quanta that you can neglect the thermal motion of the electrons, i.e., you can assume they are at rest.
Thanks for your explanation. what about the orbital velocity of the electrons around the nucleus?
 
Viona said:
what about the orbital velocity of the electrons around the nucleus?
There is no such thing - electrons don't really move in circular orbits around the nucleus.
 
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Of course there's always the probability that a photon interacts with an electron and does not lead to compton scattering but to other processes. For a bound electron of course you can also have a photoeffect, i.e., the absorption of the photon or it may kick the electron out of the bound state and producing one or more new photons (bremsstrahlung). That's all covered in quantum theory, providing the probability for the various processes to occur.
 

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