Compute the main free path of a hydrogen atom in interstellar space

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The problem involves calculating the mean free path of a hydrogen atom in interstellar space, given specific conditions such as temperature and density. The context is within the subject area of kinetic theory and astrophysics.

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the mean free path using density derived from pressure and temperature, leading to a specific numerical result. Some participants question the validity of the density calculation and whether the assumptions made are appropriate for the conditions described.

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Participants are actively discussing the calculations and assumptions, with some suggesting that the density should be taken as given rather than derived. There is a divergence in interpretations regarding the mean free path, with some asserting that the calculated values seem unreasonable for the conditions of interstellar space.

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There is a noted discrepancy between the calculated mean free path and expected physical behavior in interstellar space, particularly regarding the influence of ionization and external fields. Participants highlight the difference between theoretical calculations and real-world conditions.

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Problem:
Interstellar space has an average temperature of about 10K and an average density of hydrogen atoms of about one hydrogen atom per cubic meter. Compute the main free path of a hydrogen atom in interstellar space. Take the diameter of an H atom to be 100 pm.

Here is what I did. I first calculated the density.

Density =(pressure)(Na)/RT=(1x10^-11)*(6.022E22)/(8.314*10) = 7.243 E10 m^-3
(I used 1x10^-11 for the pressure in space)

The I used this to find the MFP.

lamda = 1/(root(2)*density*pi*d^2) = 1/(root(2)*7.243E10*pi*(100x10^-12)^2)

So for the mean free path I got .310 nm.
Can someone verify if this is correct.

thanks
nertil
 
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Your numbers don't seem reasonable. The density of heavy metals is on the order of 1 E4 kg/m^3 and for nearly empty space to have 1 million times that density doesn't seem right. And if there's only 1 atom per cubic meter, why would a hydrogen atom only travel 1 billionth of that before hitting another atom? It seems to me the density is already given. You have the volume taken up by one H atom, one cubic meter, and if you look up its mass, well divide the two and there's your density. A very small number, as it should be.
 
I think he used number density, not mass density. Then the value is explicitly told:
density=1/m^3. You don't need to calculate it from a (wrong) assumption for pressure.
 
OK, I haven't seen it done that way. So is a fraction of a nanometer a reasonable number, then?
 
Mean free path in space should be enormous, not nanometres.

Check out wikipedia: mean free path for maxwellian particles (low T) is given by (sqrt(2) n sigma)^(-1), where n is the number density, and sigma is the effective cross section. The cross section is just given by ~ pi r^2 (classical approximation), and the number density of 1/m^3.

Using n=1/m^3, and r=100e-12, I get the mean free path as 2.25 x 10^(19)m, which is about 2400 light years.

This is clearly not true. Why? The interstellar medium is ionised, so magnetic and electric fields play a role.
 
Yeah I get the same result, 2.25 x 10^(19) m. So this isn't the right answer then?
 
It is for this problem, as far as I can see. But it's not true in reality, for the reasons I mentioned.
 

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