Computing Limit with L'Hospital's Rule: 1-e^(3x)/sinx

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The discussion revolves around computing the limit of the expression (1 - e^(3x)) / sin(x) as x approaches 0, specifically using L'Hospital's Rule. Participants explore the nature of the limit, the appropriate indeterminate form, and alternative methods such as Taylor expansion.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant initially suggests that the limit evaluates to -3 but is uncertain about the type of indeterminate form.
  • Another participant confirms the application of L'Hospital's Rule but questions the classification of the indeterminate form, suggesting it is not "infinity/infinity."
  • A participant proposes using Taylor expansion as an alternative method, arguing against the use of L'Hospital's Rule due to the presence of a pole.
  • Another participant counters that Taylor expansion and L'Hospital's Rule are equivalent and clarifies that the limit does not have a pole at zero, as the limit is finite.
  • There is a discussion about the correct indeterminate form, with one participant suggesting it is "0/0," which is later confirmed by another participant.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriateness of using L'Hospital's Rule versus Taylor expansion, indicating a lack of consensus on the best approach. There is also some uncertainty regarding the classification of the indeterminate form.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the concepts of poles and indeterminate forms, but there is no resolution on the implications of these terms in this context.

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i have to use l'hospital's rule to compute the limit of:

lim (1-e^(3x))/sinx
x to 0

i got -3 bt I'm not sure

and what type is it? is it ''infinity/infinity'' type?
 
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Looks like you applied l'hospital's rule right to me - :)

When you say you're not sure what "type" it is, I'm assuming you mean what kind of indeterminate form? If you look at the function in your limit, actually evaluated at the limit value (x = 0), what kind of form is it? Surely not infinity over infinity... :)
 
It is common to taylor expand those kind of functions that become small so you can get something like this:
(1-exp(3x))/sinx =(1-1-3x)/x +0(x^2)=-3.
I don't think you can use de L'Hopital here because you have a pole.
 
Marco_84 said:
It is common to taylor expand those kind of functions that become small so you can get something like this:
(1-exp(3x))/sinx =(1-1-3x)/x +0(x^2)=-3.
I don't think you can use de L'Hopital here because you have a pole.

This is incorrect and confusing.

Taylor expansion and l'Hopital's rule are actually equivalent. And f/g does not have a pole at zero, because the limit is finite. 1/g has a pole, and that is precisely why you use l'Hopital's in the first place.
 
Ben Niehoff said:
This is incorrect and confusing.

Taylor expansion and l'Hopital's rule are actually equivalent. And f/g does not have a pole at zero, because the limit is finite. 1/g has a pole, and that is precisely why you use l'Hopital's in the first place.

Great post =]
 
retrofit81 said:
Looks like you applied l'hospital's rule right to me - :)

When you say you're not sure what "type" it is, I'm assuming you mean what kind of indeterminate form? If you look at the function in your limit, actually evaluated at the limit value (x = 0), what kind of form is it? Surely not infinity over infinity... :)

oh ok so wold the type be ''0/0'' ?
 
Yes =]
 

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