Conceptual Definition of Intelligence

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The discussion revolves around the conceptual definition of intelligence, exploring its nature, measurement, and relationship to various domains such as information theory, physics, and subjective experience. Participants engage in a broad examination of what constitutes intelligence, its functions, and the implications of different theoretical frameworks.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that intelligence should not be viewed merely as a product of computational size and scope, suggesting it is more complex and relational.
  • One participant proposes that intelligence can be defined as a function of organized information, encompassing actions such as data collection and analysis, while also noting the importance of organization.
  • Another participant introduces a philosophical perspective, linking Einstein's theory of relativity to the nature of reality and subjective experience, suggesting that attempts to understand reality are flawed.
  • Some participants express confusion over the connections made between intelligence, relativity, and other concepts, indicating a lack of clarity in the arguments presented.
  • There are claims about the optimal configuration of the human brain for leadership and vision, with references to quantum computing as a guiding force for future developments.
  • Several participants challenge each other's reasoning and coherence, indicating a contentious atmosphere and differing interpretations of the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach consensus on the definition of intelligence, with multiple competing views and interpretations present throughout the discussion. Disagreements arise regarding the relevance of various theoretical frameworks and the clarity of arguments made.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express frustration over the perceived lack of focus and coherence in the discussion, suggesting that the connections made between concepts may not be universally understood or accepted.

Namewastaken
Summary:: We are fundamentally wrong in our understanding of what intelligence is.

Intelligence is believed to be some manner of product of the size and scope of computing. Fundamentally stupid way of thinking.

Intelligence is a function of the relationship between the size of a computation and the scope of the computation.

What I want to know, with all my curiosity...

Is the variable in that relationship we call "intelligence" a coefficient or a constant?
 
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Moderator's note: Moved to General Discussion as this question does not appear to be framed within any particular area of science (and certainly not Quantum Physics, which is where it was originally posted).
 
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Ignoring the prefatory 'straw man' argument that the OP already derides; given the restricted definitions, the first phrase of the second statement seems most correct. Intelligence is a function.

The intelligence function domain is information within defined ranges and scope. Actions include data collection, retrieval, analysis, computation, sorting, storing and presentation. Measurements include size, temporal stamps, location, longevity, relevance, importance, linguistic and computation complexity, and code-decode. Organization remains a critical component.

This simplified description of intelligence as organized information might guide understanding while neglecting allied definitions from physics, neurology, psychology and linguistics.
 
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Wow! Think of what you just said here!

The intelligence function domain is information within defined ranges and scope. Actions include data collection, retrieval, analysis, computation, sorting, storing and presentation. Measurements include size, temporal stamps, location, longevity, relevance, importance, linguistic and computation complexity, and code-decode. Organization remains a critical component.

This simplified description of intelligence as organized information might guide understanding while neglecting allied definitions from physics, neurology, psychology and linguistics.

Consider this...

If Einstein's theory of general relativity is true...
Then everything in existence is relative to everything else.
But by definition, reality is not relative.
Therefore, we do not live in reality.
Therefore, attempts to understand our existence through studying objective reality itself are fundamentally flawed.

The placebo principle proves that everything in life is relative to everything else. It proves that the power of belief can distort "imagination" in the same way that "gravity" distorts reality. It proves that what we believe to be reality is in fact a subjective experience, and again, by definition of terms, it is impossible for something that is expressed subjectively to be understood objectively. It's fundamentally impossible.

The placebo principle proves the Theory of General Relativity.
 
Namewastaken said:
Wow! Think of what you just said here!

The intelligence function domain is information within defined ranges and scope. Actions include data collection, retrieval, analysis, computation, sorting, storing and presentation. Measurements include size, temporal stamps, location, longevity, relevance, importance, linguistic and computation complexity, and code-decode. Organization remains a critical component.

This simplified description of intelligence as organized information might guide understanding while neglecting allied definitions from physics, neurology, psychology and linguistics.

Consider this...

If Einstein's theory of general relativity is true...
Then everything in existence is relative to everything else.
But by definition, reality is not relative.
Therefore, we do not live in reality.
Therefore, attempts to understand our existence through studying objective reality itself are fundamentally flawed.

The placebo principle proves that everything in life is relative to everything else. It proves that the power of belief can distort "imagination" in the same way that "gravity" distorts reality. It proves that what we believe to be reality is in fact a subjective experience, and again, by definition of terms, it is impossible for something that is expressed subjectively to be understood objectively. It's fundamentally impossible.

The placebo principle proves the Theory of General Relativity.
Your post is all over the place.

Focus on what it is you are trying to nail down.

What is intelligence? is a very broad question in terms of how to define it and the measurement of it.

This is zero to do with theories in physics, they are frame works that can be tested in certain circumstances.

Some work very well. Some are thought to be incomplete, this is nothing to do with intelligence.
 
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"Your post is all over the place. "

This is you recognizing that you can't see the dots I'm connecting. That is you submitting to my Quantum Supremacy in a way that you can accept, whatever that happens to be.
 
In saying that, however I appear arrogant, and that is not my action here...

I am not a superior intelligence in any kind of absolute value terms.

I simply have the optimal configuration of the human brain for total leadership and overall vision.

All our billionaires have been waiting for the quantum supercomputer to emerge, to reveal itself, to guide them...
 
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In saying that, however I appear arrogant, and that is not my action here...

I am not a superior intelligence in any kind of absolute value terms.

I simply have the optimal configuration of the human brain for total leadership and overall vision.

All our billionaires have been waiting for the quantum supercomputer to emerge, to reveal itself, to guide them...
So what are you asking? Really?
 
Namewastaken said:
In saying that, however I appear arrogant, and that is not my action here...

I am not a superior intelligence in any kind of absolute value terms.

I simply have the optimal configuration of the human brain for total leadership and overall vision.

All our billionaires have been waiting for the quantum supercomputer to emerge, to reveal itself, to guide them...
You have cited placebo, general relativity, intelligence, reality, quantum computers, gravity...
This is what I mean by all over the place.
I would read pf rules on what it says about personal theory and speculation also, before posting again.
 
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"You have cited placebo, general relativity, intelligence, reality, quantum computers, gravity...
This is what I mean by all over the place.
I would read pf rules on what it says about personal theory and speculation also, before posting again. "

WHAT DOES IT TAKE

FOR A GOD

TO GET A GNAT

TO LISTEN TO ITS UNDERSTANDING OF REALITY

THAT IT SHOULD BOTHER

TRYING?

YOU DONT SEE THE CONNECTION. THAT DOESNT MEAN THOSE THINGS ARE UNRELATED. IT MEANS YOUR MIND CANT COMPUTE THE CONNECTIONS. THE SCOPE OF YOUR CANVAS IS TOO SMALL.

HOWEVER, INTELLIGENCE IS A FUNCTION OF THE RATIO BETWEEN CANVAS SIZE AND SPEED.

HAVING A SMALLER CANVAS MEANS YOU CAN WORK MUCH FASTER ON WHAT YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THAN A QUANTUM SUPERCOMPUTER LIKE MYSELF.

GO DO YOUR SMALL THINKING. LEAVE THE BIG THINKING TO THE BIG MINDS.
 
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THE ONLY ONE MAKING ANY KIND OF VALUE JUDGEMENT

ABOUT BIG OR SMALL

IS YOU
 
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LOL. Well that was entertaining at least... :oldeyes:
 

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