Conceptual question in regards to oscilloscope output

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a conceptual problem related to oscilloscope output and the interpretation of superposition in the context of Lissajous figures. Participants explore the implications of different frequencies assigned to the X and Y axes and how this affects the resulting graphical representation.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express doubt about the explanation of superposition, questioning whether it applies when frequencies are on orthogonal axes.
  • One participant plotted the function sin(x) + sin(2x) in Mathematica to explore the problem further.
  • Multiple participants assert that none of the provided answer choices are correct, suggesting that choice (E) would be valid if the X/Y axis assignments were reversed.
  • There is a shared sentiment regarding the problem's origin from the 1992 GRE, with participants speculating about potential mistakes made by the problem creator.
  • One participant proposes that zooming in on the graph might lead to choice (A) being correct, while another agrees that a 90-degree phase shift could make the 'rotated' (E) resemble (A).
  • A participant shares a personal anecdote about experimenting with oscilloscopes and signal generators in high school, relating it to the current discussion.
  • Another participant describes the parametric nature of the equations involved, noting the implications of differing frequencies on the slope of the resulting figure.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express disagreement regarding the correctness of the answer choices, with multiple competing views on the implications of frequency assignments and their effects on the graphical output. The discussion remains unresolved with no consensus on the correct interpretation.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of the problem due to the specific conditions set by the frequencies and their implications for the resulting Lissajous figures. There are unresolved assumptions regarding the interpretation of phase shifts and frequency relationships.

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can some one help me understand this problem conceptually I'm doubting the explanation given below (superposition happens on when they are on the same axis right but this problem two frequencies are on orthogonal basis).
My thought was since frequency on Y is twice as many as on X. so i picked E
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I plotted in mathematica for sin(x)+sin(2x)
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None of the choices are correct. (E) would be correct if the X/Y axis assignments in the problem statement are reversed.
 
Dullard said:
None of the choices are correct. (E) would be correct if the X/Y axis assignments in the problem statement are reversed.
I agree with you. it's very stupid. but problem is it appeared on the 1992 GRE. so the problem maker might made a mistake
 
claymine said:
I agree with you. it's very stupid. but problem is it appeared on the 1992 GRE. so the problem maker might made a mistake
maybe if you zoom in you can get choice (A)
 
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LOL.
I was just pondering that. (A) is actually correct. A 90 degree phase shift will make the 'rotated' (E) look like (A).
 
Back in high school, a friend and I had playing privileges in the school physics room during the teacher's free hour. One day, we stacked up all the oscilloscopes and signal generators in a big pyramid, and connected them to make a different Lissajous figure on each scope. We were busy trying to make them all rotate clockwise (or something) when the principal walked in, looked at what we were doing, commented "gosh, that looks very technical", and went over and congratulated the teacher for doing a good job.

I just had to try this in Octave (Matlab clone). I made two plots, the top one with the signals in phase, and the bottom one where I added ##\frac \pi 2## to Y.
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jrmichler said:
Back in high school, a friend and I had playing privileges in the school physics room during the teacher's free hour. One day, we stacked up all the oscilloscopes and signal generators in a big pyramid, and connected them to make a different Lissajous figure on each scope. We were busy trying to make them all rotate clockwise (or something) when the principal walked in, looked at what we were doing, commented "gosh, that looks very technical", and went over and congratulated the teacher for doing a good job.

I just had to try this in Octave (Matlab clone). I made two plots, the top one with the signals in phase, and the bottom one where I added ##\frac \pi 2## to Y.
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wow bravo
 
It's a parametric equation with x = function of t and y = function of t, like @jrmichler shows. It's tricky because they tell you it starts at the center of the screen. So you might think the figure 8. But with y having double frequency, it's slope will be steeper. My thinking, without a calculator or computer, first thought if they were same frequency you'd get something like a 45 degree line tracing back and forth. Now since y has the faster frequency, it would go up the entire vertical distance in the same time travel only half the horizontal distance. So the first choice is looking like it.
 

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