Conditional Convergence and the Comparison Test: A Proof by Contradiction

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The discussion centers on the concept of conditional convergence in series, specifically examining a proof by contradiction related to the comparison test. Participants explore the implications of combining two series, one conditionally convergent and the other absolutely convergent, and the validity of certain steps in the proof.

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  • One participant outlines a proof involving the series \(\sum c_n = \sum (a_n + b_n)\), where \(\sum a_n\) is conditionally convergent and \(\sum b_n\) is absolutely convergent, questioning the transition to the conclusion that \(|a_n| \leq |c_n - b_n|\).
  • Another participant provides a simplified explanation of the relationship between \(c_n\), \(a_n\), and \(b_n\), asserting that if \(|a_n|\) is bounded by \(|c_n| + |b_n|\), it leads to the conclusion that the series \(\sum a_n\) converges absolutely, which contradicts the assumption of conditional convergence.
  • A participant expresses confusion regarding the notation and the assumption that \(c_n = a_n + b_n\), seeking clarification on the theoretical basis for this equality.
  • Another participant clarifies that the notation \(c_n = a_n + b_n\) is merely a convenience for examining the sum of the two series and does not require further proof.
  • A later reply critiques the clarity of the proof presented in a book, suggesting it may lead to confusion.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the proof and its implications. There is no consensus on the clarity of the proof or the theoretical underpinnings of the notation used.

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Some participants highlight potential confusion arising from the notation and the assumptions made in the proof, indicating that the steps may not be straightforward for all readers.

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Series convergence "by Parts

Supose:

[tex]\sum c_n = \sum (a_n+b_n)[/tex] (*1)

[tex]\sum a_n[/tex] is conditionaly convergent (*2)

[tex]\sum b_n[/tex] is absolutly convergent (*3)

And I have seen this proof: [Proving [tex]\sum c_n[/tex] is conditionally convergent]

From (*1) and (*2) [tex]\Rightarrow[/tex] [tex]\sum c_n[/tex] its convergent [this one I understand, basic properties of series]

But now they do something like this: [proof by contradiction]

Supose [tex]\sum |c_n|[/tex] is convergent

so [tex]|a_n|\leq|c_n-b_n|\leq|c_n|+|b_n|[/tex] (How they "jump" to this conclusion?!:confused:)

and now the use comparison test to show that [tex]\sum c_n[/tex] is conditionally convergent. [No problems from here]
 
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It's easy:

cn = an + bn
an = cn - bn
|an| = |cn - bn| ≤ |cn| + |bn|

This would imply the an series converges absolutely, which is a contradiction.
 


I don't understand this:

[tex]If\ \sum c_n = \sum (a_n+b_n)\ convergent,[/tex]

[tex]why\ c_n=a_n+b_n[/tex].

Don't understand the theory.
 


You are given two series, ∑an and ∑bn and examining their sum

∑an + ∑bn = ∑(an+bn)

to see if it is conditionally convergent. It is just a convenience to call the term

an+bn on the right side cn. There is nothing to prove about that.
 


Oh, bad idea to do such things in a book. (confusing)

Thanks Again!
 

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