Conduction band, valence band and Fermi energy

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The discussion revolves around concepts related to the conduction band, valence band, and Fermi energy in the context of semiconductor physics. Participants are examining the probabilities of occupancy of energy states and the relationships between these probabilities and energy levels.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are analyzing the derivation of probabilities related to energy states, questioning the correctness of expressions and assumptions made in the original post. There is a focus on the implications of the Fermi energy in relation to the conduction and valence bands.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants seeking clarification on specific equations and their implications. Some are expressing doubts about the correctness of the original approach and the assumptions made regarding the energy levels. There is a suggestion that the original formulation may contain errors, prompting further exploration of the mathematical relationships involved.

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The probability of getting a state with energy ## E_v## is ## \frac { N_v } { N_v +N_c } = \frac1{ e^{-(E_v – E_f)/k_BT} +1} ## ………….(1)

Since, ## E_v < E_f, e^{-(E_v – E_f)/k_BT}>>1 ## as ## E_f – E_v>> k_BT ##……….(2)

So, ## \frac { N_v } { N_v +N_c } = \frac1{ e^{-(E_v – E_f)/k_BT} } ## ……….(3)

Similarly, probability of getting a state with energy ## E_c## is ## \frac { N_c} { N_v +N_c } = \frac1{ e^{-(E_c – E_f)/k_BT} +1} ##...(4)

Dividing (1) by (4) gives,

## \frac { N_v } {N_c } =## ## \frac{ e^{-(E_c – E_f)/k_BT} +1}{ e^{-(E_v – E_f)/k_BT} } ## ## = \frac{ e^{-(E_c – E_f)/k_BT} }{ e^{-(E_v – E_f)/k_BT} } ##

## k_BT \ln \frac { N_v } {N_c } = -(E_c – E_f) +(E_v – E_f) =E_v – E_c ##

Is this correct?
 

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Correct or not, it's not an answer to the question.
And why do you say e-(Ec-Ef)/kT + 1 = e-(Ec-Ef)/kT ?
 
mjc123 said:
Correct or not, it's not an answer to the question.
I meant : Is this correct so far?
As I doubted the correctness of what I had done in the original post.
 
mjc123 said:
And why do you say e-(##E_c-E_f##)/kT + 1 = e-(##E_c-E_f##)/kT ?
I said about ##E_v##, not ##E_c##.
According to the question, ##E_f - E_v >>k_B T##. So, ##exp\{(E_f - E_v )/k_BT \}>> 1 ##.
Hence, ignoring 1 to make calculation simple,##exp\{(E_f - E_v )/k_BT\} +1 \approx exp\{(E_f - E_v )/k_BT\}##.
 
But you say it implicitly in the penultimate line of your calculation.
 
mjc123 said:
But you say it implicitly in the penultimate line of your calculation.
It is said implicitly in eqn(2).
 
I need to know whether my approach so far is correct. So, please help me here.
 
Pushoam said:
It is said implicitly in eqn(2).
No, that's Ev. I'm talking about Ec. Look at the line after "dividing 1 by 4 gives"
I have my suspicions that the question is not correct. The formula gives Pv << 1, which does not look sensible. Should the minus sign before (E-Ef)/kT be a plus sign?
 
OK, I've had a closer look at it. It should be a plus sign in that expression, i.e. P = 1/(e(E-Ef)/kT +1). This is not the "probability of getting a state", but the probability of an individual state being occupied. It is not a function of Nc and Nv.
Now take the statement that at equilibrium the number of electrons in the conduction band is equal to the number of holes in the valence band. How would you express that mathematically in terms of the quantities you are given?
 

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