Confirm Fourier co-efficient is zero despite not being odd/even function

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The discussion revolves around the Fourier series expansion of a piecewise function defined on the intervals -1

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the calculation of the DC value and Fourier coefficients, questioning whether a coefficient can be zero for a non-odd function. There is also discussion about the convergence of the series at specific points and the implications of the function's periodicity.

Discussion Status

Some participants have confirmed the correctness of the DC value, while others are debating the accuracy of the assertion that all other coefficients are zero. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationship between the function's characteristics and the Fourier series representation.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the implications of the function's periodicity and its piecewise definition, as well as the assumptions regarding odd and even functions in the context of Fourier series.

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Hi, my function is defined as

f = 1, -1<t<0
f = cos(pi*t),0<t<1
f(t+2) = f(t)

To what value does this series converge when t=1


So I need to find the Fourier series expansion and set it equal to one. Sooooo

I found the DC Value to be 1/2. Then I found a_{n} = 0 as well. Is this correct. Can a = 0 despite the function not being odd?

Thanks
Thomas
 
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thomas49th said:
Hi, my function is defined as

f = 1, -1<t<0
f = cos(pi*t),0<t<1
f(t+2) = f(t)

To what value does this series converge when t=1So I need to find the Fourier series expansion and set it equal to one. Sooooo

You should be able to answer that question without calculating the FS at all.

I found the DC Value to be 1/2. Then I found a_{n} = 0 as well. Is this correct. Can a = 0 despite the function not being odd?

Thanks
Thomas

Yes to both. 1 + a sum of sine terms is not an odd function and neither is your original function.
 
Okay at t=1, the series is attempting to converge to -1 as cos(pi*1) = -1

Are you saying that DC value of a 1/2 is correct and does infact a_{n} = 0?

Is that it? Thanks
 
thomas49th said:
Okay at t=1, the series is attempting to converge to -1 as cos(pi*1) = -1

No. The value of cos(pi*t) at t = -1 has nothing to do with this problem.

Are you saying that DC value of a 1/2 is correct and does infact a_{n} = 0?

Is that it? Thanks

Yes, a0 = 1/2 and the other an = 0 as you have calculated. But you are missing the point about what the series converges to when t = 1. What you need to do is draw a couple periods of your given function. Graph it from t = -1 to t = 3. Look at that graph at t = 1 and think about your theorem about convergence of FS. See if you can figure out whether a0 = 1/2 makes any sense.
 
thomas49th said:
Okay at t=1, the series is attempting to converge to -1 as cos(pi*1) = -1

Are you saying that DC value of a 1/2 is correct and does infact a_{n} = 0?

Is that it? Thanks

1. The DC value of [itex]a_0=1/2[/itex] is correct.

2. The assertion that all other [itex]a_n=0[/itex] is NOT correct.
 
uart said:
1. The DC value of [itex]a_0=1/2[/itex] is correct.

2. The assertion that all other [itex]a_n=0[/itex] is NOT correct.

You are correct.
 
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thomas49th said:
I found the DC Value to be 1/2. Then I found a_{n} = 0 as well. Is this correct. Can a = 0 despite the function not being odd?
Yes, it's possible. It's not true in this case, though. You seem to have made an error in calculating a1.

If all the ai's other than a0 were 0, you'd have

[tex]f(t) - a_0 = \sum_{n=1}^\infty b_n \sin(n\pi t)[/tex]

The RHS is an odd function, so the LHS is also odd. So to have ai=0 for i>0, you need f(t)-a0 to be odd, not just f(t) by itself.

In the particular problem, it turns out that f(t) - a0 - a1cos πt is odd.
 

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