Confirmation of a net force calculation from a diagram

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The discussion revolves around calculating the net force acting on an object as indicated in a provided diagram, involving vector addition and trigonometric methods such as the cosine and sine laws.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore various methods for calculating the net force, including vector subtraction and the tip-to-tail method. There are discussions about the accuracy of angles and the significance of precision in calculations.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with each other's calculations, providing feedback on the magnitude and angles of the resultant forces. There is a mix of confirmations and corrections regarding the interpretation of angles and the method used in the diagram.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the diagram's accuracy and the method of vector addition being used, indicating a need for clarity on the setup and assumptions made in the calculations.

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Homework Statement


Calculate the net force acting on the object indicated in the following diagram. Show your work.
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Homework Equations


cosine/sine law

The Attempt at a Solution


First I subtracted 10N and 8N (since they are forces acting in different directions):
-8.0N (S) + 10.0N (S) = 2.0 (S)

Then I used the tip-to-tail method:
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First using cosine law to find magnitude of the net force:
c2 = a2 + b2 - 2abcosC
c2 = 4 + 289 - 2 x 2 x 17 (cos45)
c2 = 293 - 48
c = 15.6N

Now angle using sine law:
sina/2.0N = sinb/17N = sin45/15.6N
b = sin-1 (sin45/15.6 x 17)
b = 50.4

Therefore, the net force is 15.6N (S 50.4 W) West of South
 

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Your resultant magnitude looks right, but your angle (as reported: "S 50.4 W") does not. The angles are close, so if you want to go with "S <angle> W" notation, then then your B vector would have an angle of "S 135 W". Think about it.
 
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lewando said:
The angles are close, so if you want to go with "S <angle> W" notation, then then your B vector would have an angle of "S 135 W". Think about it.
I think I understand what I did wrong regarding the angle. As far as I can tell based on the original diagram, 17N is (N 45 W), therefore, the angle of the net force should be (N 50.4 W). Does this look right?
 
Looks much better, except I got a slightly different value because I held on to an extra digit in the magnitude result (15.65), when doing the sin rule calculation.
 
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I haven't had time to check your working but your diagram looked wrong to me. You appear to be doing tail to tail rather than head to tail if you see what I mean.

I'm on my phone at the moment but will try and post again later.
 
lewando said:
Looks much better, except I got a slightly different value because I held on to an extra digit in the magnitude result (15.65), when doing the sin rule calculation.
After re-doing the calculations, I got the same result (15.65).
So it would actually end up being: 15.65N (N 50.2 W).
Is this what you got?
 
Yes. 15.65 is over-precise, given the digit-significance of the values in the problem statement. It is good to be overprecise during intermediate calculations.
 
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CWatters said:
I haven't had time to check your working but your diagram looked wrong to me. You appear to be doing tail to tail rather than head to tail if you see what I mean.

I'm pretty sure I used head-to-tail in my diagram, I don't think I got that part wrong.
 
CWatters said:
I haven't had time to check your working but your diagram looked wrong to me. You appear to be doing tail to tail rather than head to tail if you see what I mean.

I'm on my phone at the moment but will try and post again later.

Ignore this. Your diagram is correct, I miss-read it.
 
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Okay, thank you though as well for checking out, I always like to receive confirmations of whether my work is correct, since I am doing this course online, and it's difficult with no teacher present or class peers with whom I can verify my work, hence why it is good that forums such as these exist.
 

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