Confirming Vector Field is Conservative: ln(x^2 + y^2)

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The discussion revolves around confirming whether the function ln(x² + y²) serves as a potential function for the given vector field defined by the components (2x/√(x² + y²), 2y/√(x² + y²)). Participants are exploring the conditions under which a vector field is conservative and the implications of potential functions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the necessary conditions for a vector field to be conservative, specifically examining the equality of mixed partial derivatives. There are attempts to integrate the components of the vector field to find the potential function, with some questioning the correctness of their integration steps. Others express uncertainty about the relationship between their derived potential functions and the original function ln(x² + y²).

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their findings and questioning the validity of their results. Some have provided potential forms for the function but are unsure about the integration process and the implications of constants of integration. There is no explicit consensus on the correctness of the approach or the question itself.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of potential functions and conservative vector fields, with some expressing confusion about the integration process and the role of constants. The original problem statement does not provide additional constraints or clarifications, leaving room for interpretation.

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Homework Statement


confirm that the given function is apotential for the given vector field

[itex]ln(x^{2} + y^{2}) for \frac{2x}{\sqrt{x^{2}+y^{2}}} \vec{i} + \frac{2y}{\sqrt{x^{2}+y^{2}}} \vec{j}[/itex]

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the first thing i did was let my equation = [itex]P\vec{i}+Q \vec{j}[/itex]

then if they are conservative[itex]\frac{\partial P}{\partial y} = \frac{\partial Q}{\partial x}[/itex]

[itex]\frac{\partial P}{\partial y} = \frac{-2xy}{\sqrt{x^{2}+y^{2}}}[/itex]

and

[itex]\frac{\partial Q}{\partial x} = \frac{-2xy}{\sqrt{x^{2}+y^{2}}}[/itex]

so the vector field is conservative.

then

f(x,y) = [itex]\int P(x,y) dx[/itex] and f(x,y) = [itex]\int Q(x,y) dy[/itex]


from tables i get f(x,y) = 2([itex]\sqrt{x^2 + y^2}[/itex]

what am i doing wrong here? am i getting my integration wrong?
 
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The conservative vector field, [itex]\vec F[/itex], is:
[tex]\nabla \phi = P\hat i + Q \hat j[/tex]
But,
[tex]\nabla \phi = \frac{\partial \phi}{\partial x}\hat i + \frac{\partial \phi}{\partial y} \hat j[/tex]
So,
[tex]\frac{\partial \phi}{\partial x} = P \, ... equation \, (1)[/tex]
and
[tex]\frac{\partial \phi}{\partial y} = Q \, ... equation \, (2)[/tex]

Actually, i got [tex]\phi (x,y)=2\sqrt{x^2+y^2}+C[/tex]
By definition, the potential of the vector field is [itex]- \phi(x,y)[/itex].
 
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thats what i got, but i left out the constant of integration.
So do you think the question is wrong...
 
The potential of the vector field [itex]\vec F[/itex] should be:
[tex]-\phi (x,y)=-2\sqrt{x^2+y^2}-C[/tex]Unless there is a nice way to convert the above expression into:
[tex]\ln (x^2 + y^2)[/tex] then, i don't see how.
 

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