Confused about operator action

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The discussion centers around the action of the momentum operator on quantum states, specifically addressing the equation < x | p | ψ > = - iħ d/dx < x | ψ >. Participants explore the implications of operator actions in quantum mechanics, the nature of inner products, and the distinction between abstract state vectors and their wave function representations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about how the momentum operator p, which acts on | ψ >, can also be considered to act on the bra < x | in the inner product.
  • One participant clarifies that the inner product < x | ψ > corresponds to the wave function ψ(x) and that the momentum operator in position representation is the differential operator -iħ d/dx.
  • Another participant questions the meaning of the expression p | ψ > and why the differential operator does not act on the bra < x |.
  • It is noted that p | ψ > is an abstract state vector with a corresponding wave function given by < x | p | ψ > = -iħ dψ(x)/dx.
  • There is a discussion about whether p | ψ > can be evaluated on its own, with some suggesting it requires representation in a specific basis to have meaning.
  • Participants highlight the difference between the abstract operator p acting on state vectors and the differential operator -iħ d/dx acting on wave functions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus, as there are multiple competing views regarding the interpretation of the momentum operator and its action on state vectors versus wave functions.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the choice of basis for representing state vectors and the unresolved nature of how to interpret the action of operators on different representations.

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Hi. I have come across the following equation < x | p | ψ > = - iħ d/dx < x | ψ > where p is the momentum operator. I'm confused as to how p which acts to the right on | ψ >can then be taken outside the inner product so it now also acts on the bra < x | ?
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The inner product ##\left<x|\psi\right>## is the wave function ##\psi(x)## that corresponds to the abstract state vector ##\left|\psi\right>##. That equation just says that the momentum operator in the position representation is the differential operator ##-i\hbar\frac{d}{dx}##.
 
Still confused. What is p | ψ > then ? and why does the differential operator not act on the < x | bra ?
 
##p\left|\psi\right>## is the abstract state vector that has a corresponding wave function ##\left<x|p|\psi\right>=-i\hbar\frac{d\psi(x)}{dx}##.
 
Does p | ψ > = -iħ d/dx | ψ > ?
 
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Does p | ψ > = -iħ d/dx | ψ > ?

No it isn't, because ##\left|\psi\right>## is not a function of ##x##, it is a vector. The inner product ##\left<x|\psi\right>## is a function of ##x## and you can act on it with differential operators. There is a difference between the abstract operator ##p## that acts on state vectors, and the corresponding differential operator ##-i\hbar\frac{d}{dx}## that acts on wavefunctions.
 
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Thanks. So does p | ψ > have any meaning on its own ? Can it be evaluated as it is ?
 
dyn said:
Thanks. So does p | ψ > have any meaning on its own ? Can it be evaluated as it is ?

You can't really make anything of the expression ##\left|\psi\right>## unless you represent it in some basis. The position representation, where you convert it into a function ##\psi(x)## is one possible basis. Another way would be to give the complex numbers ##\left<0|\psi\right>,\left<1|\psi\right>,\left<2|\psi\right>,\dots##, where the ##\left|0\right>,\left|1\right>,\left|2\right>,\dots## are a complete set of energy eigenstates.
 
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