Confused about wavefunctions and kets

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concepts of wavefunctions and kets in quantum mechanics, particularly in the context of the infinite square well. Participants explore the differences between wavefunctions and kets, the implications of measurement on wavefunctions, and the quantization of momentum and position.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about the meaning of ψ (r) = and the distinction between the wavefunction ψ and the ket |ψ>.
  • It is suggested that ψ (p) = represents the same ket |ψ> but in a different basis, similar to changing the representation of a vector.
  • There is a discussion about whether momentum is quantized, with some participants asserting that in the infinite square well, only certain discrete values of p² are possible, while others note that in free space, momentum is not quantized.
  • Participants debate the implications of measuring a particle's position in the infinite well, questioning whether the particle remains confined to a specific region after measurement.
  • Some participants clarify that the wavefunction collapses to a state with a sharp peak upon measurement, but it continues to evolve over time according to Schrödinger's equation.
  • There is uncertainty regarding the nature of the wavefunction and its relationship to the ket in the context of bound versus unbound states.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on several points, including the quantization of momentum, the implications of wavefunction collapse, and the differences between wavefunctions and kets. Multiple competing views remain throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the mathematical treatment of wavefunctions and kets, particularly regarding continuous versus discrete spectra in bound and unbound states. There are unresolved questions about the implications of measurement and the nature of superposition in quantum mechanics.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to students and enthusiasts of quantum mechanics, particularly those grappling with the foundational concepts of wavefunctions, kets, and measurement in quantum systems.

  • #31
atyy said:
Roughly, a ket can be represented as a column vector. So let's say there are only 2 possible positions. Also let us choose to represent the ket |x=1> as the column vector [1 0]T, and the ket |x=2> as the column vector [0 1]T, ie. we choose as basis vectors states of definite position. An arbitary ket is then |ψ>=ψ(1)|x=1>+ψ(2)|x=2>, or equivalently as the wavefunction [ψ(1) ψ(2)]T, or equivalently the wavefunction ψ(x) where x is an index that runs from 1 to 2.

However, x actually is not discrete with only 2 values, it runs continuously. So if we use basis vectors with a definite position, then the ket |ψ> is an infinite dimensional column vector. An element of this column vector ψ(x) is the probability amplitude that a particle will be found at location x.

The above is rigourously incorrect, because there are sonme subtleties for infinite dimensional spaces, but the idea is roughly ok. Take a look at the explanations in http://physics.mq.edu.au/~jcresser/Phys304/Handouts/QuantumPhysicsNotes.pdf (chapters 8-10).


Thanks. You said an element of the column vector ψ(x). Did you mean an element of the ket |ψ> ? But you then relate it to location x. I thought kets are independent of basis ? So why would it be location x and not momentum p or some other basis ?
 
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  • #32
dyn said:
Thanks. You said an element of the column vector ψ(x). Did you mean an element of the ket |ψ> ?

Before you represent a ket as a column vector, you must always choose a basis. In the above the choice of basis means we choose |x=1> to be the column vector [1 0]T, and |x=2> to be the column vector [0 1]T.

Then the ket |ψ> will be the column vector which can be written [ψ(1) ψ(2)]T, or for short ψ(x) which is an element of the column vector [ψ(1) ψ(2)]T.

dyn said:
But you then relate it to location x. I thought kets are independent of basis ? So why would it be location x and not momentum p or some other basis ?

Yes, because I chose at the start a basis in which a state with a definite position |x=1> is the column vector [1 0]T, and the state with definite position |x=2> is the column vector [0 1]T. This is why the column vector [ψ(1) ψ(2)]T is also written as [ψ(x=1) ψ(x=2)]T, or for short ψ(x) is an element of that column vector.

If at the start I had chosen to represent the state of definite momentum as the basis, eg. choose |p=1> as the column vector [1 0]T, then the elements of the column vector representing the ket |ψ> would be ψ(p).
 
  • #33
Some things are clearer now but as for the rest ; my head is spinning more and more. I just want to thank everyone who has persevered with me on this thread.
 

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