Confused as to where I begin to solve this circuit branch problem

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The discussion revolves around a circuit branch problem involving the measurement of current and voltage in a circuit. Participants are exploring methods to analyze the circuit, including simplification techniques and the application of Kirchhoff's Laws.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants suggest simplifying the circuit to find equivalent resistance and discuss the implications of using Kirchhoff's Laws. Questions arise regarding the behavior of current at junctions and how to extend existing equations to additional resistors in the circuit.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing hints and exploring different interpretations of the circuit's behavior. Some guidance has been offered regarding the role of the voltmeter and its impact on circuit analysis, but no consensus has been reached on a specific approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the implications of an ideal voltmeter's impedance and how it affects current distribution in the circuit. There is a mention of changing numerical values to maintain generality in the discussion.

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Homework Statement
When the ammeter reads 7 A, the voltmeter reads
Relevant Equations
I would assume this requires simple V=iR (ohms) and likely Kirchoff's Laws surrounding currents.
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I am thinking that this circuit needs to be simplified somehow? Finding an equivalent resistance and moving from there?
 
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One can try simplification.
But if that doesn't work, one could try applying Kirchhoff's Laws
 
naftacher said:
Homework Statement:: When the ammeter reads 7 A, the voltmeter reads
Relevant Equations:: I would assume this requires simple V=iR (ohms) and likely Kirchoff's Laws surrounding currents.

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I am thinking that this circuit needs to be simplified somehow? Finding an equivalent resistance and moving from there?
What is the impedance of an ideal voltmeter? So how much current gets diverted through it? Use that fact to simplify the resistor circuit to find the overall voltage, then break it back into the two branches to calculate the voltage dividers, etc. :smile:
 
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At a junction like the one in your diagram, current will split in proportion to the conductivities, so ##i_A = \frac{R_B}{R_A + R_B}i##
$$i_A R_A = i_B R_B \implies i_B = \frac{R_A}{R_B} i_A$$and as such we have$$i = i_A + i_B = i_A \left (1 + \frac{R_A}{R_B} \right) = i_A \left(\frac{R_A + R_B}{R_B} \right)$$so the current flowing down the branch with resistance ##R_A## is$$i_A = \frac{R_B}{R_A + R_B}i$$
 
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etotheipi said:
At a junction like the one in your diagram, current will split in proportion to the conductivities, so ##i_1 = \frac{R_2}{R_1 + R_2}i##
$$i_1 R_1 = i_2 R_2 \implies i_2 = \frac{R_1}{R_2} i_1$$and as such we have$$i = i_1 + i_2 = i_1 \left (1 + \frac{R_1}{R_2} \right) = i_1 \left(\frac{R_1 + R_2}{R_2} \right)$$so the current flowing down the branch with resistance ##R_1## is$$i_1 = \frac{R_2}{R_1 + R_2}i$$
I have seen this equation before. How am I to extend this to R3 and R4? or do I not need to
 
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I have seen this equation before. How am I to extend this to R3 and R4? or do I not need to

Whoops, don't take the numbers too literally, I've changed them to A's and B's to make it more general. It's applying to cases where you have multiple branches of different resistance between two nodes. ##R_A## and ##R_B## are the total resistances of those branches.

@berkeman gave you an important hint about the voltmeter, to explain why we can use the reasoning we did to get that result...
 
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