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Confused on concept of finding voltage drop across a resistor!

  1. Jan 14, 2006 #1
    Hello everyone I have a slight problem. I am confused on how you
    know what path current is going to travel and also what voltage sources
    your suppose to add up to a specific resistor. For example here is my picture, already solved:
    The directions where to find the value of ix,
    the orignal problem only had the values of each voltage source and the values of the ressitors
    and it already had ix labeled.

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    I'm confused on how they found I1, I1 and I3. I understand current travels
    from high potential to low potential and also always comes out of the postive
    side of a voltage source. So i understand the drawing of the current arrows.
    But for example, when they found I1 = (20V+5V-10V)/5 OHMS = 3A.
    Why did they add up those voltage sources? how did they know the
    current was going to go that path and not just go around the top smaller loop?
    so I1 = (5V)/5OHMS ? then they found I2 = (20V-10V)/10OHMS = 1A.
    Also confused. how did they know I2's ressitor was going to have 20V
    pass through it and 10V's but not the 5 V's?
    Then finally I3 = (10V)/2 OHMS = 5A.
    Why did they only use 10V? why wouldn't u use all of them?
    See this is where i'm very confused. I get the concept of kcl,
    Currents at a junction = Currents out a junction.
    I also understand kvl, where the sum of higher potential = lower potential.
    Thanks, any help would be great! :biggrin:
     
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  3. Jan 14, 2006 #2

    Tide

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    This is an application of Kirchoff's law which simply states that the sum of the potentials around a loop is 0, i.e. energy is conserved. The loop being considered is the largest loop which contains 3 batteries (5, 10 an 20 Volts) and a single resistor (5 Ohms).
     
  4. Jan 14, 2006 #3
    Thanks for the responce, but why did they choose the longest loop? thats my confusion, how do you know which path to choose to figure it out? Perhaps someone can explain it easier on this picture:

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    okay they say:
    Below are the 5 Ohm's Law equations needed.
    V3 = 2 x 3
    V4 = 4I4
    V7 = 7I7
    V8 = 8I7
    V9 = 9I6

    If the top node and the bottom node are selected, these are the resulting KCL equations:
    Top Node: -2 - I5 - I7 = 0
    Bottom Node: 2 + I4 + __ = 0

    Okay it all makes sense but why does V8 = 8*I7 and not 8*I5? how did they know I5 didn't take a right and go through V8? also V9 = 9I6, why couldn't I4 go through V9? And what are they talking about Top Node and bottom node?

    KCL says, current in a junction = current out of junction. So why are they saying -2-I5-I7 = 0? all those currents are going INTO the junction so wouldn't those be postive? also when they say bottom node, 2+I4 + ? = 0, why are those postive? the question mark should be I6, which is correct, 2+I4+I6 = 0;
     
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  5. Jan 14, 2006 #4

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    In this format, EACH branch (the part of a circuit from one node to another) gets its own label for current ... the Voltage across R8 is BY DEFINITION = I7*R8.

    The statement -I7 = I5 + I2 means that I2 and I5 go into this node (solder spot) , and -I7 comes out.
    I like to use "reasonable guess" for the directions of the current, but
    it's okay to use the format you have started ... in words, it means that
    the total current coming out of a node = 0 ... or the total into a node = 0.

    ANY path you choose will give you a "correct equation" (if you do it right).
    with practice, you tend to choose a path with the fewest unknowns.
    Otherwise, just choose systematically different paths, and deal with the
    multiple equations with multiple unknowns as simultaneous equations.
    It works, but is harder math.
     
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