Confused on diffraction grating question

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The discussion revolves around a diffraction grating problem where participants are trying to determine the maximum number of lines per meter for a grating, given that four bright fringes are observed on either side of the central maximum with a specific wavelength of light.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants are attempting to clarify the relationship between the number of bright fringes and the variable m in the diffraction equation. Questions are raised about how to determine the angle theta and whether m should be considered as 0 or 4. There is also discussion about the maximum angle that can be achieved.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the concepts involved, with some participants confirming that m=4 corresponds to the fourth fringe from the central maximum. The discussion includes questions about the largest possible angle for the m=4 beam and whether it can exceed 45 degrees. Guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of the angle in relation to the diffraction pattern.

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Participants are navigating the constraints of the problem, including the implications of the number of bright fringes and the definitions of m and theta. There is some confusion about the angles involved and how they relate to the observed fringes.

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1. Homework Statement

a) Exactly 4 bright fringes are seen on either side of the central maximum when a diffraction grating is illuminated with yellow-green light of a wavelength of 570 nm. What is the maximum number of lines/meter for the grating?


2. Homework Equations

sin(theta) = m(wavelength) / d

so solving for d = m(wavelength) / sin(theta)


3. The Attempt at a Solution

I want to find the max number of lines/ meter for the grating
so d= ? m/line
m = 0 because the question says central maximum
wavelength is given to you and in meters it is 570*10^-9 m

***what i don't understand is how do you find the angle Theta? Does it have to do with the "4 bright fringes" part of the question? And does that mean m=4?

because after finding the angle Theta i would be able to solve for d = m(wavelength) / sin(theta) and get an answer. Then I would do 1/answer to get the final answer in lines/m.
 
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dewdrop714 said:
1. Homework Statement

a) Exactly 4 bright fringes are seen on either side of the central maximum when a diffraction grating is illuminated with yellow-green light of a wavelength of 570 nm. What is the maximum number of lines/meter for the grating?2. Homework Equations

sin(theta) = m(wavelength) / d

so solving for d = m(wavelength) / sin(theta)3. The Attempt at a Solution

I want to find the max number of lines/ meter for the grating
so d= ? m/line
m = 0 because the question says central maximum
wavelength is given to you and in meters it is 570*10^-9 m

***what i don't understand is how do you find the angle Theta? Does it have to do with the "4 bright fringes" part of the question? And does that mean m=4?
Yes! Also, what is the largest angle you could have?

... because after finding the angle Theta i would be able to solve for d = m(wavelength) / sin(theta) and get an answer. Then I would do 1/answer to get the final answer in lines/m.
Yes, that's the idea.
 
so m = 4? or m = 0? and is the largest angle you can have 180 degrees? I am still very confused on this question...
 
m = 4 for the fourth fringe from the the central maximum.

PF_diffraction-grating_2009-03-21.gif


Hope this picture shows you what is going on. The m=4 diffracted beams are shown in green. How large can the angle θ be, and still have that m=4 beam (the green beam to the left) be visible?
 
dewdrop714 said:
so m = 4? or m = 0? and is the largest angle you can have 180 degrees? I am still very confused on this question...


Yes. In that 8 bright fringes are there. All of them are equally spaced. So what will be the angular separation of the first bright fringe from the central fringe?
 
is the angle 90? so then sin of 90 = 1?
 
Yes. Now you can do what you said before:
... after finding the angle Theta i would be able to solve for d = m(wavelength) / sin(theta) and get an answer. Then I would do 1/answer to get the final answer in lines/m.
 
thank you so much! =]
 
I have the same problem but I can not understand the communication between the two of you. M=4 correct? but why would the angle be 90 and not 45?
 
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Welcome to PF :smile:

Yes, M=4.

In the figure in post #4: We're talking about the angle between the central, vertical green ray and either of the other green rays. Is it not clear that angle could be more than 45? (It's roughly 80 in the figure).
 

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