Confusion about Electro-motive force (EMF)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of electromotive force (EMF) of a cell, specifically examining its definitions and the implications of those definitions in terms of work done on charges. The scope includes conceptual clarification and technical explanation of the definitions of EMF in relation to open circuits and internal resistance.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents two definitions of EMF, questioning the clarity of the first definition regarding work done on charges in an open circuit.
  • Another participant suggests that the work done on an infinitesimally small charge relates to the potential difference (PD) across the terminals, indicating that energy dissipated due to internal resistance becomes less significant as the charge decreases.
  • Questions arise about whether the PD across the terminals refers to work done inside or outside the cell, with a focus on the nature of the work done on the charge.
  • A later reply emphasizes the importance of distinguishing between the work done on the charge and the actual work done to move it, noting that the PD can arise from various sources, including chemical reactions or external charging.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty about the interpretation of the definitions of EMF, particularly regarding the implications of the first definition. Multiple perspectives on the nature of work done on charges and the significance of internal resistance are presented, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential ambiguities in the definitions of EMF, the dependence on interpretations of work done on charges, and the lack of consensus on the implications of internal resistance in the context of the definitions provided.

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The definitions of electromotive force of a cell that i have read include:

1.When no current is drawn from a cell,i.e., when the cell is in open circuit, then potential difference between the terminals of the cell is its electromotive force.

2.The electromotive force of a cell is defined as the energy spent or the work done per unit charge in taking a positive charge around the complete circuit of the cell i.e., in the circuit outside the cell as well as in the electrolyte inside the cell.

I do not understand what definition 1 means. I think it is probably refers to the work done in moving the charge inside the cell since in the definition it is said that the circuit is open but then its meaning does not match with definition 2.
My question is, what is the actual meaning of definition 1?
 
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donaldparida said:
My question is, what is the actual meaning of definition 1?

It means that the work done on an infinitesimally small charge q will be Vq, where V is the PD across the terminals. Same definition (Joules per Coulomb) but for a vanishingly small Charge. The Energy dissipated due to any internal resistance will be q(squared) r. This gets smaller faster than qV so it is less and less significant.
 
Here does pd across the terminal refer to the work done in moving the charge inside the cell or outside the cell.
 
donaldparida said:
Here does pd across the terminal refer to the work done in moving the charge inside the cell or outside the cell.
However it's done will involve the same work done 'on' the charge. The PD can be the result of action between two chemicals or the result of the cell being 'charged' from an external source - or the cell could be a capacitor. You have to be careful to remember this is the work done on the charge and not the actual work done to get it there.
 

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