Electromotive force in a moving bar

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the electromotive force (emf) generated in a moving conducting bar within a uniform magnetic field. Participants explore the implications of the bar's motion, the resulting emf, and the behavior of current in a closed circuit formed by the bar.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes that a moving conducting bar in a magnetic field develops an emf given by the equation emf = L*v*B, where L is the length of the bar, v is its velocity, and B is the magnetic field strength.
  • Another participant suggests considering the loop as square and questions the behavior of the opposite bar in the loop regarding emf generation.
  • A participant acknowledges the idea that the opposite bar would generate an equal emf, leading to a situation where the two bars act like opposing batteries, potentially resulting in no current flow.
  • Another participant mentions that there are various puzzles related to this concept, including scenarios where the loop is rotated, affecting the direction of motion and emf generation.
  • One participant explains that if the bar is on rails connected by a fixed connector, a current will flow from the moving wire along the rails, with the top end of the wire being positive and the bottom end negative.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the behavior of the emf in the circuit formed by the moving bar and the implications for current flow. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the overall behavior of the system and the conditions under which current may or may not flow.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the implications of Faraday's law in this context, particularly concerning the constancy of magnetic flux and its relationship to the generated emf.

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Hi everyone,

I've seen in some lecture notes that a moving conducting bar (length of L) in a uniform and constant magnetic field develops an electromotive force (emf) between the 2 edges of the bar.

Lets assume that the bar moves to the right (with velocity v) and the magnetic field (B) points into the screen.

So the explanation I've seen is that the magnetic field applies force on positive charges towards one side of the bar and negative charges towards the other side.
The system comes to a steady state when the emf between the 2 edges of the bar is:
emf=L*v*B

So as long as the bar is moving there is emf.
So the bar is now like a battery, and if we'll connect a wire between the 2 edges of the bar to create a closed circuit then we'll have current flowing in the loop.

But since the magnetic field is constant and uniform and the circuit area does not change, then according to Faraday's law, the magnetic flux through the circuit area is constant, so there should be no emf...

Can anybody help me solve this??

Thanks a lot!
Shai
 
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Make the loop square - there will be EMF in one "bar" of the loop - what about the opposite bar?
 
Yeah I see now,
So you mean that the opposite bar will develop the same emf, and will be considered as a second battery, so the 2 batteries facing each other, so no current will flow, right?

Please confirm just to be sure...
Thanks a lot...
 
Yep - by the "generating emf" description.
There's a bunch of puzzles like this... you can do it by rotating the loop so half moves one way and the other half moves the opposite way.
 
If the bar is resting on rails and the rails are connected by a fixed connector then a current will flow from the moving wire as it is pulled, along the rails, to the right.
If the field is into the screen as you quote then the top end of the moving wire will be +ve and the bottom end will be -ve
 

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