Confusion about the difference between isolated and non isolated systems

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The discussion centers on the distinction between isolated and non-isolated systems, specifically in the context of a child sliding down a frictionless slide and being launched into the air. Participants concluded that the child-Earth system is non-isolated due to external energy influences, despite the gravitational force being the primary force at play. The conversation emphasizes that while gravitational acceleration is present, the system is not closed because it interacts with external energy sources, such as sunlight. This understanding is crucial for accurately interpreting mechanical energy conservation in physics problems.

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  • Understanding of classical mechanics concepts, particularly energy conservation
  • Familiarity with the definitions of isolated and non-isolated systems
  • Knowledge of gravitational forces and their effects on motion
  • Basic proficiency in analyzing projectile motion
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  • Explore examples of isolated vs. non-isolated systems in physics
  • Review projectile motion equations and their applications in real-world scenarios
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Homework Statement
A child of mass m starts from rest and slides without friction from a height h along a slide next to a pool (Fig. P8.13).
She is launched from a height h/5 into the air over the pool.
We wish to find the maximum height she reaches above the
water in her projectile motion. (a) Is the child–Earth system
isolated or nonisolated? Why?
Relevant Equations
n/a
Read the book and conducted research on the internet. Came to conclusion that this was an isolated system because the girl was being accelerated by gravity but answer is non isolated. Can someone please help me grasp this concept better.
 
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eduardogallegos9 said:
Homework Statement:: A child of mass m starts from rest and slides without friction from a height h along a slide next to a pool (Fig. P8.13).
She is launched from a height h/5 into the air over the pool.
We wish to find the maximum height she reaches above the
water in her projectile motion. (a) Is the child–Earth system
isolated or nonisolated? Why?
.
..Came to conclusion that this was an isolated system because the girl was being accelerated by gravity but answer is non isolated.
I agree with you - isolated. The only force doing work is the gravitational attraction between the Earth and the girl. The earth-girl system has constant internal mechanical energy (kinetic + potential), so there is no energy-transfer to/from the system.

(Note, with a wider view, the earth-girl system is not closed. E.g. the Earth receives light energy from the sun; this is incorporated into food. This energy then enables the girl to climb up the slide in the first place! But, in the context of the question, this seems an inappropriate interpretation of 'isolated'.)

Edited - typo'.
 
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eduardogallegos9 said:
Homework Statement:: A child of mass m starts from rest and slides without friction from a height h along a slide next to a pool (Fig. P8.13).
She is launched from a height h/5 into the air over the pool.
We wish to find the maximum height she reaches above the
water in her projectile motion. (a) Is the child–Earth system
isolated or nonisolated? Why?
Relevant Equations:: n/a

Read the book and conducted research on the internet. Came to conclusion that this was an isolated system because the girl was being accelerated by gravity but answer is non isolated. Can someone please help me grasp this concept better.
If the system is not isolated, then what else must be brought into the equation? What else influences the motion in this case? If the answer is nothing, then you have an isolated system.
 
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