Confusion about the difference between isolated and non isolated systems

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The discussion revolves around the classification of the child-Earth system as isolated or nonisolated. The initial conclusion was that it is isolated due to gravitational acceleration, but the correct classification is nonisolated. Participants argue that while gravitational forces are internal, the system is influenced by external factors like energy from the sun, which affects the child's ability to climb the slide. The key takeaway is that for a system to be considered isolated, no external energy transfers should impact its motion, which is not the case here. Understanding these distinctions is crucial for grasping the concept of isolated versus nonisolated systems in physics.
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Homework Statement
A child of mass m starts from rest and slides without friction from a height h along a slide next to a pool (Fig. P8.13).
She is launched from a height h/5 into the air over the pool.
We wish to find the maximum height she reaches above the
water in her projectile motion. (a) Is the child–Earth system
isolated or nonisolated? Why?
Relevant Equations
n/a
Read the book and conducted research on the internet. Came to conclusion that this was an isolated system because the girl was being accelerated by gravity but answer is non isolated. Can someone please help me grasp this concept better.
 
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eduardogallegos9 said:
Homework Statement:: A child of mass m starts from rest and slides without friction from a height h along a slide next to a pool (Fig. P8.13).
She is launched from a height h/5 into the air over the pool.
We wish to find the maximum height she reaches above the
water in her projectile motion. (a) Is the child–Earth system
isolated or nonisolated? Why?
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..Came to conclusion that this was an isolated system because the girl was being accelerated by gravity but answer is non isolated.
I agree with you - isolated. The only force doing work is the gravitational attraction between the Earth and the girl. The earth-girl system has constant internal mechanical energy (kinetic + potential), so there is no energy-transfer to/from the system.

(Note, with a wider view, the earth-girl system is not closed. E.g. the Earth receives light energy from the sun; this is incorporated into food. This energy then enables the girl to climb up the slide in the first place! But, in the context of the question, this seems an inappropriate interpretation of 'isolated'.)

Edited - typo'.
 
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eduardogallegos9 said:
Homework Statement:: A child of mass m starts from rest and slides without friction from a height h along a slide next to a pool (Fig. P8.13).
She is launched from a height h/5 into the air over the pool.
We wish to find the maximum height she reaches above the
water in her projectile motion. (a) Is the child–Earth system
isolated or nonisolated? Why?
Relevant Equations:: n/a

Read the book and conducted research on the internet. Came to conclusion that this was an isolated system because the girl was being accelerated by gravity but answer is non isolated. Can someone please help me grasp this concept better.
If the system is not isolated, then what else must be brought into the equation? What else influences the motion in this case? If the answer is nothing, then you have an isolated system.
 
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