Confusion regarding cos or sin

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The discussion revolves around the application of trigonometric functions, specifically sine and cosine, in resolving force components in physics problems. Participants express confusion regarding the assignment of these functions to the vertical and horizontal components of forces.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the definitions of sine and cosine in relation to angles and triangle sides, questioning how to apply these definitions to specific problems. There is a mention of memorization techniques like SOH CAH TOA, but uncertainty remains about their application in various contexts.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the definitions of sine and cosine, emphasizing the importance of identifying opposite and adjacent sides in relation to the defined angle. However, there is still confusion among others about applying these concepts to specific problems, indicating that the discussion is ongoing and productive.

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Participants mention a specific problem reference (Prob. 2-145) and express a need for visual aids to better understand the concepts being discussed. There is an acknowledgment of differing interpretations of the angle definitions and their implications for solving problems.

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Homework Statement


I have the solution and everything, I'm just confused why they use cos for Fy and sin for Fx ...

Homework Equations


I've always known Fx=Fcos and Fy=Fsin .. but now I am getting to different problems and it confuses me

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I read many posts and answers such as "take sin as opposite to theta" but I can't understand... I will apreciate if you could easily put this into brain! check image for example , if you got videos that help please share i have an exam tomorroW
 

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It depends on the way you define the angle.

For the side that is opposite to the angle, you need the sine, for the side next to the angle you need the cosine. That's just the definition of the two (more precise: one possible definition). No logic behind it, just one of the few things you have to learn by heart.
 
mfb said:
It depends on the way you define the angle.

For the side that is opposite to the angle, you need the sine, for the side next to the angle you need the cosine. That's just the definition of the two (more precise: one possible definition). No logic behind it, just one of the few things you have to learn by heart.
can you explain your concept using the attached image pls?
 
joker2014 said:
can you explain your concept using the attached image pls?
This is the image you should memorize:

http://demo.activemath.org/ActiveMath2/LeAM_calculusPics/TrigFunctionsTriangle.png?lang=en​
 
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I know this and memorized this, even using SOH CAH TOA,, but I can't apply it to the problems I am getting now
 
joker2014 said:
I know this and memorized this, even using SOH CAH TOA,, but I can't apply it to the problems I am getting now
Well, why don't you take F1 in Prob. 2-145 and identify the parts of the force triangle? IOW, what are the components of F1 ?
 
well using the concept of "use sine for side opposite to angle" .. then Id say Fx=30sin30 and also Fy=30sin30 ... becausee I take the side and it turns out to be opposite to the angle... this is how I'd solve it and its wrong anyways
 
joker2014 said:
well using the concept of "use sine for side opposite to angle" .. then Id say Fx=30sin30 and also Fy=30sin30 ... becausee I take the side and it turns out to be opposite to the angle... this is how I'd solve it and its wrong anyways

I can't make out your justification here.

Clearly, the diagram for F1 shows that the angle is 30°. The hypotenuse of the triangle is the line of action with the arrow at the end. There are only two other sides to the triangle, and there can be only one side which is opposite of the 30° angle and one side which is adjacent.

Hint: the opposite side to the angle is the side which doesn't form the angle. The adjacent side is that side (not the hypotenuse) which does form the angle.
 
joker2014 said:
I know this and memorized this, even using SOH CAH TOA,, but I can't apply it to the problems I am getting now

If you are familiar with the drawing Steamking posted then just turn it around until the arrangement matches what's on the problem statement. For example..

Angles.png
 

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