Conical Pendulum with free sliding ring

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The discussion focuses on analyzing the motion of a particle attached to a free sliding ring in a conical pendulum setup. The key objective is to determine the minimum angular velocity (ω) required for the particle to maintain circular motion. Participants emphasize the importance of drawing free body diagrams for both the particle and the ring, applying Newton's Second Law, and recognizing that tension in the strings may differ. The solution involves establishing equations for centripetal force and tension to derive an expression for angular speed.

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  • Understanding of Newton's Second Law
  • Familiarity with centripetal force concepts
  • Ability to draw and interpret free body diagrams
  • Basic knowledge of angular motion and velocity
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Homework Statement



A particle of mass m is tied to the middle of a light, inextensible string of length 2L. One end of the string is fixed to the top of a smooth vertical pole. The other end is attached to a ring of mass m, which is free to slide up and down the pole. The particle moves in a horizontal circle.
Find the least possible value of \omega for the particle to continue in this motion.

Homework Equations



F_{centripetal} = m\omega ^2 r

The Attempt at a Solution



I'm not really sure how to begin with this... I've tried visualising the situation in my head but I can't imagine what would happen in a frictionless situation and how the angular velocity would affect it

thanks
 

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Begin by finding the tension in each string. To do this draw a free body diagram of the mass that is going around. Write Newton's 2nd law for that mass in the vertical and horizontal direction. You may not assume that the tension is the same in each string. Draw another free body diagram for the ring and write its Newton's Second Law equation. Put the the three equations together to get an expression for the angular speed.
 
Just imagine that the particle moves along a horizontal circle and the ring stays at a certain height, and draw the free-body diagram for both the particle and the ring. The resultant force on the particle is equal to the centripetal force. The resultant force on the ring is equal to zero.

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