Conical Pendulum with free sliding ring

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The problem involves a conical pendulum where a particle of mass m is attached to a string and moves in a horizontal circle while a ring of the same mass slides up and down a vertical pole. The objective is to determine the minimum angular velocity required for the particle to maintain its circular motion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss visualizing the system and the forces acting on both the particle and the ring. There are suggestions to draw free body diagrams and apply Newton's Second Law to analyze the forces involved.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on how to approach the problem by suggesting the use of free body diagrams and equations of motion. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between tension, angular velocity, and the forces acting on the system.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of not assuming uniform tension in the strings and the need to consider the forces acting on both the particle and the ring separately.

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Homework Statement



A particle of mass m is tied to the middle of a light, inextensible string of length 2L. One end of the string is fixed to the top of a smooth vertical pole. The other end is attached to a ring of mass m, which is free to slide up and down the pole. The particle moves in a horizontal circle.
Find the least possible value of [tex]\omega[/tex] for the particle to continue in this motion.

Homework Equations



[tex]F_{centripetal} = m\omega ^2 r[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



I'm not really sure how to begin with this... I've tried visualising the situation in my head but I can't imagine what would happen in a frictionless situation and how the angular velocity would affect it

thanks
 

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Begin by finding the tension in each string. To do this draw a free body diagram of the mass that is going around. Write Newton's 2nd law for that mass in the vertical and horizontal direction. You may not assume that the tension is the same in each string. Draw another free body diagram for the ring and write its Newton's Second Law equation. Put the the three equations together to get an expression for the angular speed.
 
Just imagine that the particle moves along a horizontal circle and the ring stays at a certain height, and draw the free-body diagram for both the particle and the ring. The resultant force on the particle is equal to the centripetal force. The resultant force on the ring is equal to zero.

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Thanks :)
 

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