Connect High/Low Level Alarm Circuit with 6 LM741 Op Amps

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The discussion revolves around connecting a high and low level alarm circuit using a configuration of 6 LM741 operational amplifiers. Participants are seeking advice on how to achieve this connection effectively, while addressing issues related to circuit reliability and stability.

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  • One participant seeks advice on connecting high and low level alarms to their circuit with LM741 op amps, indicating previous attempts have not been successful.
  • Another participant questions the intended function of the circuit, particularly regarding the nature of the high and low level alarms in the context of a large AC signal.
  • A participant notes a potential design error in the schematic that could lead to reliability issues over time, prompting inquiries about the specifics of this error.
  • Concerns are raised about the stability of using the op amp's output to drive a coaxial cable directly, suggesting the need for series resistance.
  • There is mention of a related discussion on potentiometers and op amps from another thread, which may provide insights into circuit reliability issues.

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Participants express curiosity and concern regarding circuit reliability and stability, but there is no consensus on the specific issues or solutions presented. Multiple viewpoints and questions remain unresolved.

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The discussion includes references to potential design errors and stability concerns that are not fully elaborated, indicating a need for further clarification on these points.

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Hello,
I completed this circuit with 6 op amps LM741. Now I want to connect any high and low level alarm circuit. I have found and tried some solutions but I didn't get it to work. Can you give me some advice how to do it?
 

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chrisla said:
Hello,
I completed this circuit with 6 op amps LM741. Now I want to connect any high and low level alarm circuit. I have found and tried some solutions but I didn't get it to work. Can you give me some advice how to do it?

Welcome to the PF.

What is the circuit supposed to do? You are feeding in a large AC signal -- what do you mean by high and low level alarms?

BTW, there is a design error near the right of the schematic that will cause the circuit to become unreliable in a couple years after construction. Do you know what it is?
 
U3 and U4's function has me scratching my head. I haven't seen that particular arrangement before. It looks like it might be a variation of an ideal diode feeding a peak detector.
 
berkeman I'm curious what will make the circuit unreliable?
 
nevere said:
berkeman I'm curious what will make the circuit unreliable?

See the discussion about potentiometers and opamps starting at post #39 on page three of this fun thread:

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=178516&highlight=bourns&page=3

The thread discussed a number of "Bad Circuit" examples from the textbook "The Art of Electronics" by Horowitz and Hill. Let us know if the explanation in the thread (and the Bourns application note) make sense to you. :smile:
 
Also asking for stability issues using the opamp's output to directly drive a coaxial cable to scope. Needs 10 ohms or so of series resistance. (Unless this is actually a scope probe).
 

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