Conservation Of Angular Momentum

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The discussion centers on the conservation of angular momentum in the context of Earth's orbit around the Sun. The Earth, with a mass of m_e, travels in a circular orbit of radius r, and its speed has been calculated as 29821 m/s. The key point is that angular momentum L is conserved because the net torque τ acting on the Earth is zero, as the gravitational force acts towards the axis of rotation. This leads to the conclusion that the derivative of angular momentum with respect to time is zero, confirming its conservation. The relationship for angular momentum is expressed as L = m_e √(GM_s r), where G is the gravitational constant and M_s is the mass of the Sun.
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Homework Statement



The Earth of mass m_{e}, moves with an approximately circular orbit of radius r = 1.5 * 10^{8}km around the sun of mass M_{s} = 2 * 10^{30}kg.

(a) Determine the numerical value of the speed of the earth.

(done, got an answer of 29821 ms^{-1} by equating the gravitational equation with the centripetal force equation)

(b) Is the angular momentum L of the Earth conserved? Why? Show that its module is given by L = m_{e} \sqrt{GM_{s}r}

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The Attempt at a Solution



I do not understand how to show that angular momentum is conserved, one of the older students that help in our workshops gave an 'explanation' but I don't actually follow his argument.

I'll try to explain what I think he said.

L = I \omega

\frac{dL}{dt} = \tau = f * r

\tau = o

\frac{dL}{dt} = 0

∴ Angular momentum is conserved

The step that confuses me somewhat is why \tau = 0

Thanks!
 
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Make a small diagram of the Earth and the sun. Make the force vector with proper direction.
What is the moment of this force about the axis of rotation?
 
from an experimental perspective, the speed of Earth ought to be its travel distance (2 pi r) divided by travel time (1 year = 31.557 Megasec).
Angular momentum L = r x p = r x mv = r m v sin(theta) = r m |v| ... do any of these values change?
 
consciousness said:
Make a small diagram of the Earth and the sun. Make the force vector with proper direction.
What is the moment of this force about the axis of rotation?

There isn't one, the force acts towards the axis of rotation.

That makes sense.
 
lightgrav said:
from an experimental perspective, the speed of Earth ought to be its travel distance (2 pi r) divided by travel time (1 year = 31.557 Megasec).
Angular momentum L = r x p = r x mv = r m v sin(theta) = r m |v| ... do any of these values change?

Assuming I understand your symbols correctly, no.

So, the derivative of a constant is 0, hence angular momentum is conserved.

Thank you.
 
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